Three Wrathful Protectors

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Three Wrathful Protectors

Post by Tlalok » Tue Jul 03, 2018 10:44 pm

I attended this empowerment graciously offered by Yongey Mingyur Rinpoche during his visit to Toronto.

He was going to impart some history and context for the empowerment, but at the audience's insistence instead spoke about bodhicitta and meditation (which I am grateful for). I was wondering if anyone had any information about the provenance of the lineage of this empowerment?

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Re: Three Wrathful Protectors

Post by greenvajrapani » Wed Jul 04, 2018 12:32 am

Which "Three Wrathful Protectors" are you speaking about?

There are a number of groups of "Three Wrathful Protectors".

Also I found what you stated about Rinpoche going off topic an all to common problem.

I believe this happens when you allow people with little to no back ground to attended these special empowerments.

In most cases anyone can attend as long as they have payed the fee.

I think its the Rinpoche's fault for allowing this to happen and not staying on the topic of the "Three Wrathful Protectors".

To sit there and have someone ask a question about the "Four Noble Truths" or "How to Meditate" destroys the whole purpose of the empowerment.

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Re: Three Wrathful Protectors

Post by Josef » Wed Jul 04, 2018 2:32 am

greenvajrapani wrote:
Wed Jul 04, 2018 12:32 am
Which "Three Wrathful Protectors" are you speaking about?

There are a number of groups of "Three Wrathful Protectors".

Also I found what you stated about Rinpoche going off topic an all to common problem.

I believe this happens when you allow people with little to no back ground to attended these special empowerments.

In most cases anyone can attend as long as they have payed the fee.

I think its the Rinpoche's fault for allowing this to happen and not staying on the topic of the "Three Wrathful Protectors".

To sit there and have someone ask a question about the "Four Noble Truths" or "How to Meditate" destroys the whole purpose of the empowerment.
The topic of all protectors of dharma is bodhicitta.
Kye ma!
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Ceaseless flowing of appearance.
Beautiful and repulsive.
The dance of life and death is a display of the vast expanse.
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Re: Three Wrathful Protectors

Post by practitioner » Wed Jul 04, 2018 2:38 am

He gave the empowerment for “Ta Chag Khyung Sum“ Hayagriva, Varjapani, and Garuda. Maybe others can comment on the history of this grouping.

As far as going off topic, i would hardly consider this sort of thing a problem. Receiving meditation instructions from Rinpoche is a very wonderful thing and should be celebrated.
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Re: Three Wrathful Protectors

Post by greenvajrapani » Wed Jul 04, 2018 3:24 am

What I got from the original post was Tlalok was expecting from Rinpoche was that "He was going to impart some history and context for the empowerment".

I may have got it wrong but I thought that Rinpoche went off topic and did not formally teach and give commentary on these "Three Wrathful Protectors".

This was what Tlalok's post was about to wit he was seeking what was missing from the post empowerment discussion "I was wondering if anyone had any information.....".
Tlalok wrote:
Tue Jul 03, 2018 10:44 pm
I attended this empowerment graciously offered by Yongey Mingyur Rinpoche during his visit to Toronto.

He was going to impart some history and context for the empowerment, but at the audience's insistence instead spoke about bodhicitta and meditation (which I am grateful for). I was wondering if anyone had any information about the provenance of the lineage of this empowerment?

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Re: Three Wrathful Protectors

Post by Mantrik » Wed Jul 04, 2018 6:57 am

practitioner wrote:
Wed Jul 04, 2018 2:38 am
He gave the empowerment for “Ta Chag Khyung Sum“ Hayagriva, Varjapani, and Garuda. Maybe others can comment on the history of this grouping.

As far as going off topic, i would hardly consider this sort of thing a problem. Receiving meditation instructions from Rinpoche is a very wonderful thing and should be celebrated.
Despite the title, this is a Yidam practice.
Ta - Tamdrin (Hayagriva)
Chag - Vajrapani
Khyung - Garuda

It is also known as Nyenpo Lha Sum and is sometimes known as the Three Antidote Deities or the Three Wrathful Ones. Lama Dawa used to recommend it for Gyalpo problems, for example.
It is a combination of great healing power.

I was told it is quite an ancient practice. The conversation in the previous thread on DW is probably still available via the 'search' function. :)

EDIT
Here it is:
viewtopic.php?f=49&t=8851&p=117288&hili ... um#p117288

Pema Tsultrim:
''I don't know when the combo-yidams were first mentioned. It's an interesting question. I have an index of the Rinchen Terdzod and Pema Ledrel Tsal (who was born as early as 1231, the immediate reincarnation of Princess Pemasel and predecessor to Longchenpa and Pema Lingpa) revealed a Nyenpo Lha Sum terma. If that's the earliest terma version, we could say at that time, or we could say with Guru Rinpoche, or we could say earlier if there is mention of them in original tantras found in the Nyingma Gyud Bum or Nyingma Kama. But really they originate with Samantrabhadra Yab Yum so it's moot!''
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Re: Three Wrathful Protectors

Post by Tlalok » Wed Jul 04, 2018 5:03 pm

practitioner wrote:
Wed Jul 04, 2018 2:38 am
He gave the empowerment for “Ta Chag Khyung Sum“ Hayagriva, Varjapani, and Garuda. Maybe others can comment on the history of this grouping.

As far as going off topic, i would hardly consider this sort of thing a problem. Receiving meditation instructions from Rinpoche is a very wonderful thing and should be celebrated.
Absolutely. I was in no way disappointed. YMR's meditation instructions were profound, and bodhichitta is the essence of all practices.
Mantrik wrote:
Wed Jul 04, 2018 6:57 am
viewtopic.php?f=49&t=8851&p=117288&hili ... um#p117288
Thank you for this Mantrik, I did not know this question had been asked before.

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