german prosecution office investigates Ole Nydahl for incitement to hatred

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german prosecution office investigates Ole Nydahl for incitement to hatred

Post by crazy-man » Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:17 pm

german prosecution office investigates Ole Nydahl for incitement to hatred
The public prosecutor's office in Kempten has initiated investigations against the Buddhist Lama Ole Nydahl. He is said to have repeatedly rushed against Islam and praised right-wing political movements.
The reason for the investigation against Buddhist Lama Ole Nydahl is the statement of the representative of Diamond Way Buddhism in front of more than 1,000 spectators: "Others had Hitler and Stalin, we have Islam. It's all the same."
Repeated derogatory remarks about Islam

At a summer course at the Europe Center of Diamond Way Buddhists in Immenstadt (district of Oberallgäu), 77-year-old Nydahl is also said to have expressed himself disparagingly about Islam and praised right-wing political movements on several occasions. Susanne Fritzsche, spokeswoman for the public prosecutor's office in Kempten, told the Bavarian Broadcasting Corporation (Bayerischer Rundfunk) that the statements are "currently being "checked for their relevance under criminal law".
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https://www.br.de/nachrichten/schwaben/ ... t-100.html

more infos in german
https://allgaeu-rechtsaussen.de/2018/08 ... den-islam/
https://allgaeu.life/videos_artikel,-bu ... 30349.html
https://www.augsburger-allgemeine.de/ba ... 32616.html
http://blog.buddhistische-sekten.de/ole ... ismus-dbu/

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Post by Crazywisdom » Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:51 pm

Crazy. Everyone knows Islam is a barrel of monkeys.
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Post by kirtu » Thu Aug 09, 2018 3:01 am

crazy-man wrote:
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german prosecution office investigates Ole Nydahl for incitement to hatred
The public prosecutor's office in Kempten has initiated investigations against the Buddhist Lama Ole Nydahl. He is said to have repeatedly rushed against Islam and praised right-wing political movements.
The reason for the investigation against Buddhist Lama Ole Nydahl is the statement of the representative of Diamond Way Buddhism in front of more than 1,000 spectators: "Others had Hitler and Stalin, we have Islam. It's all the same."
Repeated derogatory remarks about Islam ....
It took them long enough .... he's been making these remarks for something like 20 years now ....
He is said to have repeatedly rushed against Islam and praised right-wing political movements.
The translation should be : "He is said to have repeatedly agitated [or incited, spoken out against] against Islam and praised right-winged political movements."

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Post by lelopa » Thu Aug 09, 2018 6:04 am

kirtu wrote:
Thu Aug 09, 2018 3:01 am
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It took them long enough .... he's been making these remarks for something like 20 years now ....

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Post by Dan74 » Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:01 am

He's comparing a religion that has a variety of diverse interpretations to two of the worst dictators of the 20th Century.. What gives??

In the 90ies, they had Dumb&Dumber and now we have Ole Nydahl sort of thing...

How is this even remotely relevant to a Dharma talk? "Let's hate on our Muslim neighbors, that's good Buddhist practice right?"
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Post by Fortyeightvows » Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:26 am

It seems like a better buddhist practice than using force and threats of force to suppress free speech.

"Took them long enough" :roll:

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Post by Bristollad » Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:56 am

Fortyeightvows wrote:
Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:26 am
It seems like a better buddhist practice than using force and threats of force to suppress free speech.

"Took them long enough" :roll:
It seems poetic justice since Diamond Way has used the German legal system to try and silence critics of Ole Nydahl.

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Post by Crazywisdom » Thu Aug 09, 2018 8:03 am

He does a lot of teaching for not having done any retreat. Read his bio. He attracts pretty wives. I don’t know about “Diamond” not exactly the right word choice. But hey whatevs.
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Post by MatthewAngby » Thu Aug 09, 2018 8:40 am

But is it Not true? Sometimes the truth may hurt, or perhaps not accepted by public. Haven’t you heard that all non believers must be killed in Islam, for they follow the Old Testament? I personally find nothing wrong with what he says, except for the fact he might have said it at the wrong time.

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Post by Knotty Veneer » Thu Aug 09, 2018 9:03 am

He's always been the Donald Trump of Western Buddhism.

I don't think anyone is surprised.
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Post by Grigoris » Thu Aug 09, 2018 9:05 am

MatthewAngby wrote:
Thu Aug 09, 2018 8:40 am
But is it Not true?
No it is not true.
I personally find nothing wrong with what he says, except for the fact he might have said it at the wrong time.
Just because you agree with something, that does not make it true.
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Post by Palzang Jangchub » Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:51 pm

Tibetan Muslims lived in relative harmony in Tibet as a minority culture. And let's just disabuse you of the notion that "all Muslims are bad people" right now. Would you appreciate it if anyone made a sweeping generalization about everyone who was your ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, religion, or any other detail that helps form your identity, just to serve their narrative and whip people up into a frenzy to take you and your kind out? No, didn't think so.

What you and Ole Nydahl are doing is painting an entire world religion and its millions of practitioners across all demoninations and nations due to the actions of a few. Do the same people maligning Islam go around claiming that Christianity is evil, too? There have been just as many crusades of intolerance and mass murder in the name of the compassionate Christ, and Chistian gunmen who shoot up places are much more common here in the U.S. but are never called domestic terrorists.

If you're willing to call for the downfall of all Muslims based on the actions of a few extremists who are pissed because we screwed them over due to politics, you're incurring a ton of negative karma, pal. Better do some Chöd and wipe away that karmic debt while you still can, bro. Otherwise you might be reborn a Muslim someday and have to find out what it's like to face such bigotry and anti-Muslim sentiment for simply praying five times a day and trying to better yourself.

All religious practitioners, whether Buddhist or not, are the spiritual community of the Sangha if they're seeking to be more loving and compassionate. That's Garchen Rinpoche's take. I agree wholeheartedly, and believe that's a great way to stop seeing the world through a sectarian lens.

I had a Sunni Muslim girlfriend at one point, and also I have several women Muslim friends (some who converted in, others who were born into Muslim families). All of them are exceedingly nice and warm-hearted. Your argument simply doesn't hold water, and only reveals your ignorance and the contents of your heart.

Best of luck with all that, MatthewAngby!
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Post by Grigoris » Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:24 pm

The next off-topic attempt to engage in Muslim bashing will incur warnings and suspensions.

Stay on topic people.
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Post by treehuggingoctopus » Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:28 pm

Palzang Jangchub wrote:
Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:51 pm
Tibetan Muslims lived in relative harmony in Tibet as a minority culture. And let's just disabuse you of the notion that "all Muslims are bad people" right now. Would you appreciate it if anyone made a sweeping generalization about everyone who was your ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, religion, or any other detail that helps form your identity, just to serve their narrative and whip people up into a frenzy to take you and your kind out? No, didn't think so.

What you and Ole Nydahl are doing is painting an entire world religion and its millions of practitioners across all demoninations and nations due to the actions of a few. Do the same people maligning Islam go around claiming that Christianity is evil, too? There have been just as many crusades of intolerance and mass murder in the name of the compassionate Christ, and Chistian gunmen who shoot up places are much more common here in the U.S. but are never called domestic terrorists.

If you're willing to call for the downfall of all Muslims based on the actions of a few extremists who are pissed because we screwed them over due to politics, you're incurring a ton of negative karma, pal. Better do some Chöd and wipe away that karmic debt while you still can, bro. Otherwise you might be reborn a Muslim someday and have to find out what it's like to face such bigotry and anti-Muslim sentiment for simply praying five times a day and trying to better yourself.

All religious practitioners, whether Buddhist or not, are the spiritual community of the Sangha if they're seeking to be more loving and compassionate. That's Garchen Rinpoche's take. I agree wholeheartedly, and believe that's a great way to stop seeing the world through a sectarian lens.

I had a Sunni Muslim girlfriend at one point, and also I have several women Muslim friends (some who converted in, others who were born into Muslim families). All of them are exceedingly nice and warm-hearted. Your argument simply doesn't hold water, and only reveals your ignorance and the contents of your heart.
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Post by Grigoris » Thu Aug 09, 2018 8:49 pm

Straight after my warning three people posted off topic remarks concerning Islam.

This thread was not about Islam, it was about Ole Nydhal and his hate filled rhetoric.

As such this thread lead to three people receiving suspensions and it being locked.

Don't say I didn't warn you!
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