Ignorant_Fool wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 10, 2018 3:38 pm
Palzang Jangchub wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 10, 2018 12:36 pm
It occurs to me that not only could Matongha and Matangipa be different figures not to be conflated, but that the opposite may well be true. I think it's safe to say that even hagiographies of great masters have been subject to patriarchal bias, so perhaps Matangipa was really a dakini but those who retold the story and wrote it down decided that a male disciple who goes on to teach other great masters was more palatable.
I can definitely see something like this happening but surely it constitutes some serious breaches of samaya, not to mention that it's a pretty crazy thing to do ...
Eh, at the end of the day patriarchy is patriarchy, and misogyny is misogyny. Personally i think it's our job as practitioners to call out oppression when we see it and kindly remind the perpetrators that just like Rhett habe buddha-nature, so do all beings. Even the ones you hate or malign as other and sub-human. Practitioner friends of mine have disagreed with me on this, seeing social justice as politics that shouldn't be mixed with Dharma. But i think we're kissing ourselves if we think Tibetan Buddhism is antithetical to politics. All you have to do is look at the history to know that's not the case. We don't need to deny the relative truth if we can benefit beings with pure intention. Same with not having revulsion towards our aggregates.
It appears that Matangipa, at least according to all the sources i found, is depicted as a man.
He's on the Drikung Kagyu refuge tree, too. I do believe that Drikung Kagyu gets their lineage of Mar-Ngok Hevajra thru Karma Kagyu originally, so it makes sense there would be common figures before Marpa.
Apparently Matangipa also is mentioned in Buddhas Lions
as one of the 84 Mahasiddhas from India. If you can somehow find a copy, see pp. 285-288.
From Leksheyling, a Kamtsangpa website, there is mention in Tilopa's bio:
http://leksheyling.net/pages/english/Li ... ang-po.htm
From Shri Matangi (according to other sources Dakini Matongha) Tilopa received the teachings on resurrection of the dead body.
"The Sutras, Tantras, and Philosophical Scriptures are great in number. However life is short, and intelligence is limited, so it's hard to cover them completely. You may know a lot, but if you don't put it into practice, it's like dying of thirst on the shore of a great lake. Likewise, a common corpse is found in the bed of a great scholar." ~ Karma Chagme