Joint Statement of the Two Karmapas

[如傑優婆塞]

Here is the English transcript of the joint statement:
His Holiness Ogyen Trinley Dorje and His Holiness Trinley Thaye Dorje met over the last few days at a rural location in France. Their purpose was to get to know each other personally. They also discussed how they might work together to preserve and strengthen the Karma Kagyu lineage of Tibetan Buddhism. More here

[Könchok Thrinley]

Here is the English transcript of the joint statement:
His Holiness Ogyen Trinley Dorje and His Holiness Trinley Thaye Dorje met over the last few days at a rural location in France. Their purpose was to get to know each other personally. They also discussed how they might work together to preserve and strengthen the Karma Kagyu lineage of Tibetan Buddhism. More here

This is amazing! Really, so perfect.

[passel]

good news

[Gatinho]

Excellent news - I have been waiting and hoping for this to happen.

[Knotty Veneer]

Wow! This is a turn up for the books. Although I believe Karmapa Ogyen Trinley had hinted at some efforts in this regard recently. Don't know how they are going to heal the rift but delighted to see they are working on it. Let's hope something comes of it.

Not a picture I thought I'd ever see:

[Garudavista]

This is wonderful news! Thank you for sharing it.

[Vasana]

I rejoice in their combined skillful means here and pray that their compassionate activities may be spontaneously accomplished. May any intra-sectarian divisions and suspicions be healed for Lamas, teachers and students alike.

[conebeckham]

Such good news!

[明安 Myoan]

For the benefit of beings. What a wonderful example for us all.

[sherabpa]

Don't know how they are going to heal the rift

I guess they can work together to ensure we only have one 18th Karmapa, one Shamarpa etc. going forward. The rift can easily be healed if there is the will from this generation of lamas.
This is such wonderful news for both 'sides'. Karmapa khyenno!!

[anjali]

Just speculation on my part, but given the recent health concerns of Karmapa Ogyen Trinley, there may have been some incentive to make this kind of meeting happen. (As far as I know, there are no current health concerns for either Karmapa.)

For example, very likely, one will pass before the other. An important point of discussion would most certainly be how to handle that, and whether/how the remaining Karmapa would then assume responsibility for both branches.

In the meantime, hopefully we will see greater collaboration.

[Kelwin]

Truly wonderful news, and an example for us all

[Simon E.]

Such good news!

Joyful.
Heartfelt salutations to both Precious Teachers.
And to all of the followers of each.

[Sonam Wangchug]

Excellent news, we Buddhists really need to get along.

People often quote the Buddha as saying the dharma will not be destroyed from outside forces but from within.

May there be harmony among all lineages.

[Knotty Veneer]

Just speculation on my part, but given the recent health concerns of Karmapa Ogyen Trinley, there may have been some incentive to make this kind of meeting happen. (As far as I know, there are no current health concerns for either Karmapa.)

For example, very likely, one will pass before the other. An important point of discussion would most certainly be how to handle that, and whether/how the remaining Karmapa would then assume responsibility for both branches.

In the meantime, hopefully we will see greater collaboration.

I think that Ogyen Trinley’s health was only part of the reason he was in the US. I think he was so frustrated by the Indian Govt’s control over his movements both in India and internationally, he decided to leave for a while. As a refugee he would have had to rely on Indian travel documents and seek the Govt’s permission every time he wanted to leave the country. During his time abroad he has obtained a Dominican passport and so can now travel freely outside of India without the Indian Govt’s permission.

I don’t think we can really speculate on what the meeting of the two leaders might bring forth. It all looks very tentative at the moment. I imagine both teachers are getting to know each other, hopefully listening carefully to the other’s thoughts and concerns, and exploring what might be possible.

I don’t think we should expect any game-changing announcements anytime soon, though.

However, given Ogyen Trinley’s new freedom to move around, a softening of India’s approach to him (as seen in his permission to visit Sikkim), Thaye Dorje marrying and becoming a father, and now this meeting of the two, it’s certainly a time of positive change across the lineage after so many years of division. Let’s hope it bears positive fruit for all concerned.

[Könchok Thrinley]

I think that Ogyen Trinley’s health was only part of the reason he was in the US. I think he was so frustrated by the Indian Govt’s control over his movements both in India and internationally, he decided to leave for a while. As a refugee he would have had to rely on Indian travel documents and seek the Govt’s permission every time he wanted to leave the country. During his time abroad he has obtained a Dominican passport and so can now travel freely outside of India without the Indian Govt’s permission.

I don’t think we can really speculate on what the meeting of the two leaders might bring forth. It all looks very tentative at the moment. I imagine both teachers are getting to know each other, hopefully listening carefully to the other’s thoughts and concerns, and exploring what might be possible.

I don’t think we should expect any game-changing announcements anytime soon, though.

However, given Ogyen Trinley’s new freedom to move around, a softening of India’s approach to him (as seen in his permission to visit Sikkim), Thaye Dorje marrying and becoming a father, and now this meeting of the two, it’s certainly a time of positive change across the lineage after so many years of division. Let’s hope it bears positive fruit for all concerned.

Can't agree more. Plus lets be honest. The issued statement is mostly full of empty words. The best thing about it is that they got to hang out with each other. Other than that nothing much has changed really. But I hope the division will be healed and there will be pressure on certain lamas on both sides that got caught up in the sectarian nonsense to open up.

[Simon E.]

Either 'nothing has changed' OR there is 'pressure on certain Lamas (and lay people) caught up in sectarian nonsense to open up'..both statements can't be true I would suggest

Anyway, back to fishin'..

[dzoki]

I am very happy that this meeting occured. I hope that the first visible step forward would be to organize joint Karma Kagyu monlam presided by both Karmapas, instead of having two separate ones.

[Knotty Veneer]

I am very happy that this meeting occured. I hope that the first visible step forward would be to organize joint Karma Kagyu monlam presided by both Karmapas, instead of having two separate ones.

As I said, it's probably too soon to start creating expectations of where this could lead. Doing so will invariably lead to disappointment.

I, for one, am going to take a leaf out of the Zen practitioner's book and adopt "don't know mind" for while.

[Berry]

It's also in Tibet Sun:

https://www.tibetsun.com/news/2018/10/1 ... haye-dorje

and tricycle:

https://tricycle.org/trikedaily/karmapas-meet/

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