Live Stream Vajrakilaya Teachings, Empowerment and Drubchen 11/10 - 11/18

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Post by Miroku » Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:30 pm

heart wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:42 pm
Miroku wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:26 pm
Palzang Jangchub wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 2:00 pm

The sadhana we tend to use in Drikung also draws heavily upon Sangye Lingpa's Dorje Phurba for the most essentialized daily practice. When I can find it I'll post the exact names and lineage detailed at the beginning of sadhana itself. I'm sure there are copies online for purchase of nothing else.
Oh, thank you, Plzang!!
Actually they are using this sadhana: “Great Treasure Revealer Ratna Lingpa’s Unsurpassed, Innermost Secret Sādhana of Kīla,”
You can get it here: http://www.gartrust.org/vajrakila.html#

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Oh, thanks. :D Hm, kidna strange since the empowerment was from Chogyur Lingpa ... but why not I guess.
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Post by heart » Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:27 pm

Miroku wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:30 pm
heart wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:42 pm
Miroku wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:26 pm


Oh, thank you, Plzang!!
Actually they are using this sadhana: “Great Treasure Revealer Ratna Lingpa’s Unsurpassed, Innermost Secret Sādhana of Kīla,”
You can get it here: http://www.gartrust.org/vajrakila.html#

/magnus
Oh, thanks. :D Hm, kidna strange since the empowerment was from Chogyur Lingpa ... but why not I guess.
Well, since you got the Sangtik Phurbha you can do that sadhana which is available for free on the internet.There is a great book on the Sangtik called "Powerful Transformations", highly recommended. If you prefer you can do the Ratna Lingpa sadhana which contains a lot of interesting details.

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Post by Mantrik » Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:56 pm

heart wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:42 pm


Actually they are using this sadhana: “Great Treasure Revealer Ratna Lingpa’s Unsurpassed, Innermost Secret Sādhana of Kīla,”
You can get it here: http://www.gartrust.org/vajrakila.html#

/magnus


Well, since you got the Sangtik Phurbha you can do that sadhana which is available for free on the internet.There is a great book on the Sangtik called "Powerful Transformations", highly recommended. If you prefer you can do the Ratna Lingpa sadhana which contains a lot of interesting details.

/magnus
Is this the sadhana called the 'Essence of the Play of Concerned Activity' ?
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Post by heart » Mon Nov 12, 2018 9:18 pm

Mantrik wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:56 pm
heart wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:42 pm


Actually they are using this sadhana: “Great Treasure Revealer Ratna Lingpa’s Unsurpassed, Innermost Secret Sādhana of Kīla,”
You can get it here: http://www.gartrust.org/vajrakila.html#

/magnus


Well, since you got the Sangtik Phurbha you can do that sadhana which is available for free on the internet.There is a great book on the Sangtik called "Powerful Transformations", highly recommended. If you prefer you can do the Ratna Lingpa sadhana which contains a lot of interesting details.

/magnus
Is this the sadhana called the 'Essence of the Play of Concerned Activity' ?
No,
Sangtik Phurba https://lhaseylotsawa.org/texts/sangtik-purba-sādhana
Ratna Lingpa http://www.gartrust.org/vajrakila.html#

There is a slightly bigger version of the Sangtik Phurba but it isn't available online.

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Post by Miroku » Mon Nov 12, 2018 9:33 pm

heart wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:27 pm
Miroku wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:30 pm
heart wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:42 pm


Actually they are using this sadhana: “Great Treasure Revealer Ratna Lingpa’s Unsurpassed, Innermost Secret Sādhana of Kīla,”
You can get it here: http://www.gartrust.org/vajrakila.html#

/magnus
Oh, thanks. :D Hm, kidna strange since the empowerment was from Chogyur Lingpa ... but why not I guess.
Well, since you got the Sangtik Phurbha you can do that sadhana which is available for free on the internet.There is a great book on the Sangtik called "Powerful Transformations", highly recommended. If you prefer you can do the Ratna Lingpa sadhana which contains a lot of interesting details.

/magnus
Oh, thanks for the info! Could be fun to practice it, but I guess this would be better to practice under a teachers guidance for some time at least.
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A needle stitches up your clothes.
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Post by Mantrik » Mon Nov 12, 2018 9:37 pm

heart wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 9:18 pm
Mantrik wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:56 pm
heart wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:42 pm


Actually they are using this sadhana: “Great Treasure Revealer Ratna Lingpa’s Unsurpassed, Innermost Secret Sādhana of Kīla,”
You can get it here: http://www.gartrust.org/vajrakila.html#

/magnus


Well, since you got the Sangtik Phurbha you can do that sadhana which is available for free on the internet.There is a great book on the Sangtik called "Powerful Transformations", highly recommended. If you prefer you can do the Ratna Lingpa sadhana which contains a lot of interesting details.

/magnus
Is this the sadhana called the 'Essence of the Play of Concerned Activity' ?
No,
Sangtik Phurba https://lhaseylotsawa.org/texts/sangtik-purba-sādhana
Ratna Lingpa http://www.gartrust.org/vajrakila.html#

There is a slightly bigger version of the Sangtik Phurba but it isn't available online.

/magnus
That's odd. The one I have from a Garchen Rinpoche empowerment some years ago is Ratna Lingpa's:

The Daily Practice of the Secret Attainment of the Unsurpassed Extremely Secret Vajrakilaya called 'The Essence of the Play of Concerned Activity'.
http://www.khyung.com

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Suvarna Pakshaya Dheemahe
Thanno Garuda Prachodayath

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Post by heart » Tue Nov 13, 2018 5:45 am

Mantrik wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 9:37 pm
heart wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 9:18 pm
Mantrik wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:56 pm


Is this the sadhana called the 'Essence of the Play of Concerned Activity' ?
No,
Sangtik Phurba https://lhaseylotsawa.org/texts/sangtik-purba-sādhana
Ratna Lingpa http://www.gartrust.org/vajrakila.html#

There is a slightly bigger version of the Sangtik Phurba but it isn't available online.

/magnus
That's odd. The one I have from a Garchen Rinpoche empowerment some years ago is Ratna Lingpa's:

The Daily Practice of the Secret Attainment of the Unsurpassed Extremely Secret Vajrakilaya called 'The Essence of the Play of Concerned Activity'.
The daily practice in the ebook is called; “Essence of Manifold Activity Displays: A Manual for the Regular Practice of the Unsurpassed, Innermost Secret Sādhana of Vajrakīla”

There could be several daily practices.

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Post by heart » Tue Nov 13, 2018 5:53 am

Miroku wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 9:33 pm
heart wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:27 pm
Miroku wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:30 pm


Oh, thanks. :D Hm, kidna strange since the empowerment was from Chogyur Lingpa ... but why not I guess.
Well, since you got the Sangtik Phurbha you can do that sadhana which is available for free on the internet.There is a great book on the Sangtik called "Powerful Transformations", highly recommended. If you prefer you can do the Ratna Lingpa sadhana which contains a lot of interesting details.

/magnus
Oh, thanks for the info! Could be fun to practice it, but I guess this would be better to practice under a teachers guidance for some time at least.
Someone would need at least to lead you through the Sangtik sadhana unless you are very used to doing sadhanas, but there are real instructions how to practice is in the book "Powerful transformations".

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Post by Mantrik » Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:33 am

heart wrote:
Tue Nov 13, 2018 5:45 am
Mantrik wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 9:37 pm
heart wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 9:18 pm


No,
Sangtik Phurba https://lhaseylotsawa.org/texts/sangtik-purba-sādhana
Ratna Lingpa http://www.gartrust.org/vajrakila.html#

There is a slightly bigger version of the Sangtik Phurba but it isn't available online.

/magnus
That's odd. The one I have from a Garchen Rinpoche empowerment some years ago is Ratna Lingpa's:

The Daily Practice of the Secret Attainment of the Unsurpassed Extremely Secret Vajrakilaya called 'The Essence of the Play of Concerned Activity'.
The daily practice in the ebook is called; “Essence of Manifold Activity Displays: A Manual for the Regular Practice of the Unsurpassed, Innermost Secret Sādhana of Vajrakīla”

There could be several daily practices.

/magnus
Thanks. :)
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Post by Lhasa » Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:39 pm

Who are the human figures that Vajrakilaya is standing on in the thangka?

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Post by heart » Tue Nov 13, 2018 7:15 pm

Lhasa wrote:
Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:39 pm
Who are the human figures that Vajrakilaya is standing on in the thangka?
Shiva and his consort.

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Post by Lhasa » Tue Nov 13, 2018 7:20 pm

heart wrote:
Tue Nov 13, 2018 7:15 pm
Lhasa wrote:
Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:39 pm
Who are the human figures that Vajrakilaya is standing on in the thangka?
Shiva and his consort.

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There's four of them.

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Post by heart » Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:05 pm

Lhasa wrote:
Tue Nov 13, 2018 7:20 pm
heart wrote:
Tue Nov 13, 2018 7:15 pm
Lhasa wrote:
Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:39 pm
Who are the human figures that Vajrakilaya is standing on in the thangka?
Shiva and his consort.

/magnus
There's four of them.
Either a bad thangka painter or an other tradition of Phurba that I don't know.

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Post by lelopa » Wed Nov 14, 2018 8:23 am

f.e.:
Sangthig Phurpa stands on 2 "demons"
Ratling Phurpa on 4.
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Post by heart » Wed Nov 14, 2018 2:16 pm

lelopa wrote:
Wed Nov 14, 2018 8:23 am
f.e.:
Sangthig Phurpa stands on 2 "demons"
Ratling Phurpa on 4.
It isn't "demons", it is Mahadeva and Umadevi.

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Post by Lhasa » Wed Nov 14, 2018 2:41 pm

It's interesting, both Garchen R. and Drupon Rinchen Dorje Rinpoche emphasized in these teachings, that without the basis of love, compassion and bodhicitta, one can practice these sadhanas and accomplish the deity, but it's a worldly deity, a demon, not a Wisdom Being. They both used the word 'demon.'

Does that mean shiva = demon?

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Post by heart » Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:02 pm

Lhasa wrote:
Wed Nov 14, 2018 2:41 pm
It's interesting, both Garchen R. and Drupon Rinchen Dorje Rinpoche emphasized in these teachings, that without the basis of love, compassion and bodhicitta, one can practice these sadhanas and accomplish the deity, but it's a worldly deity, a demon, not a Wisdom Being. They both used the word 'demon.'

Does that mean shiva = demon?
Mahadeva (Lha chenpo) and his consort also appear as worldly protectors to the Dharma and there are even sadhanas for them. I have no idea why it is like this perhaps someone like Malcolm can help out with that?

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Post by Empty Desire » Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:34 pm

Lhasa wrote:
Wed Nov 14, 2018 2:41 pm
It's interesting, both Garchen R. and Drupon Rinchen Dorje Rinpoche emphasized in these teachings, that without the basis of love, compassion and bodhicitta, one can practice these sadhanas and accomplish the deity, but it's a worldly deity, a demon, not a Wisdom Being. They both used the word 'demon.'

Does that mean shiva = demon?
Do you have a recording of the teachings?
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Post by Miroku » Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:04 pm

Empty Desire wrote:
Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:34 pm
Lhasa wrote:
Wed Nov 14, 2018 2:41 pm
It's interesting, both Garchen R. and Drupon Rinchen Dorje Rinpoche emphasized in these teachings, that without the basis of love, compassion and bodhicitta, one can practice these sadhanas and accomplish the deity, but it's a worldly deity, a demon, not a Wisdom Being. They both used the word 'demon.'

Does that mean shiva = demon?
Do you have a recording of the teachings?
It is on their FB page. Click on one of the previous links and you will find them somehow there.
A boat delivers you to the other riverbank.
A needle stitches up your clothes.
A horse takes you where you want to go.
Bodhicitta will bring you to Buddhahood.

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Post by Lhasa » Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:22 pm

All of them are on the Garchen Buddhist Institute's youtube channel, there's a link in a post above.

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