Karmapa Thaye Dorje regarding Shamar rebirth
Karmapa Thaye Dorje regarding Shamar rebirth
Apparently Thaye Dorje has advised his students to stop saying aspiration prayers regarding the rebirth and recognition of the Shamar tulku.
From the bottom of the linked page:
“...In conclusion, His Holiness also advised the KIBI sanghas from today onwards to discontinue recitation of Swift Rebirth Prayer for His Holiness 14th Kunzig Shamar Rinpoche.”
http://www.kibi-edu.org/news/kibi-stude ... th-karmapa
From the bottom of the linked page:
“...In conclusion, His Holiness also advised the KIBI sanghas from today onwards to discontinue recitation of Swift Rebirth Prayer for His Holiness 14th Kunzig Shamar Rinpoche.”
http://www.kibi-edu.org/news/kibi-stude ... th-karmapa
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Re: Karmapa Thaye Dorje regarding Shamar rebirth
Hm, that is interesting. Can't help but wonder what it means.
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The obvious implication to me would be that, at least from the perspective of that ‘side’, the rebirth has been found.
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Re: Karmapa Thaye Dorje regarding Shamar rebirth
Oh wow! I never saw that coming.Seeker12 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:05 pm Apparently Thaye Dorje has advised his students to stop saying aspiration prayers regarding the rebirth and recognition of the Shamar tulku.
From the bottom of the linked page:
“...In conclusion, His Holiness also advised the KIBI sanghas from today onwards to discontinue recitation of Swift Rebirth Prayer for His Holiness 14th Kunzig Shamar Rinpoche.”
http://www.kibi-edu.org/news/kibi-stude ... th-karmapa
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Re: Karmapa Thaye Dorje regarding Shamar rebirth
Why this reaction? Did you expect some plot twists or are you just against the idea that his son might be a Shamar Rinpoche?Knotty Veneer wrote: ↑Sun Nov 25, 2018 11:46 pmOh wow! I never saw that coming.Seeker12 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:05 pm Apparently Thaye Dorje has advised his students to stop saying aspiration prayers regarding the rebirth and recognition of the Shamar tulku.
From the bottom of the linked page:
“...In conclusion, His Holiness also advised the KIBI sanghas from today onwards to discontinue recitation of Swift Rebirth Prayer for His Holiness 14th Kunzig Shamar Rinpoche.”
http://www.kibi-edu.org/news/kibi-stude ... th-karmapa
“Observing samaya involves to remain inseparable from the union of wisdom and compassion at all times, to sustain mindfulness, and to put into practice the guru’s instructions”. Garchen Rinpoche
For those who do virtuous actions,
goodness is what comes to pass.
For those who do non-virtuous actions,
that becomes suffering indeed.
- Arya Sanghata Sutra
For those who do virtuous actions,
goodness is what comes to pass.
For those who do non-virtuous actions,
that becomes suffering indeed.
- Arya Sanghata Sutra
Re: Karmapa Thaye Dorje regarding Shamar rebirth
The whole situation was obvious (not 100% certain, but totally obvious) that Thaye Dorje + wife = children; if and when male, recognition of best tulku-hood available at the time.Miroku wrote: ↑Sun Nov 25, 2018 11:51 pmWhy this reaction? Did you expect some plot twists or are you just against the idea that his son might be a Shamar Rinpoche?
Jobs for the boys.
Follow the money, follow the power, keep it in the family.
Inspiring, not.
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Sometimes when I read some contributions of some people I really wonder if these people are really dharma practicioner and I am sad because of these hidden anger, jealousy and so on. I am sorry to say this. Instead of this we should support each others and enjoy from posibillity to practice genuine dharma and meetings the precious lamas. I am really not happy about all of this, even in this time.
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I guess you mean my cynical comment. Yes, it's cynical. Why? Look at what happens. Belief in the tulku system (and I DO think there is something in it) is NOT a requirement for the practice of Dharma of any vehicle.gyamtsotrinle wrote: ↑Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:05 am Sometimes when I read some contributions of some people I really wonder if these people are really dharma practicioner and I am sad because of these hidden anger, jealousy and so on. I am sorry to say this. Instead of this we should support each others and enjoy from posibillity to practice genuine dharma and meetings the precious lamas. I am really not happy about all of this, even in this time.
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The whole "keep it in the family thing" is the elephant in the room.
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Re: Karmapa Thaye Dorje regarding Shamar rebirth
It is not about tulku system in this manner. It si about attitude. Everything what comes from Karmapa Thaye Dordze´s side is wrong, evil and so on. I suppoose in a case when Situpa would find on side of H.H Urgyen Trinle tulku of Shamarpa it would be ok, yeah? But please, I do not want to continue in arguing, it is not correct, specially after meeting two Karmapas since they want to do everything good for lineage and dharma itself.
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Sorry, but this is not going to turn into another "Is the tulku system valid?" discussion.
Nor is it going to turn into yet another "My tulku is better than your tulku" shit-slinging festival.
Thread locked.
Nor is it going to turn into yet another "My tulku is better than your tulku" shit-slinging festival.
Thread locked.
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"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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