Human Realm in Chenrezig Sadhana?

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tashinyima
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Human Realm in Chenrezig Sadhana?

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howdy yall :hi:

during the chenrezig sadhana, there is a section in which chenrezig is liberating beings from the different realms. However, in most texts i have seen, the human realm is not included. Rather just hells, hungry ghost, animal, asuras, and gods realms are included. Does anyone know the history of this or a reason why?

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I know that had been an omission in the Sadhana texts used by centers affiliated with KTD in Woodstock, NY, which were originally just 8½ x 11 xeroxed copies, hand written Tibetan & typewritten English. That was a long time ago, when translations of anything were being done by just a few people, with just a few lamas (compared with today)
working in people’s homes.
The later (petcha) versions, typeset and printed on long paper, were basically copied directly from those.
My understanding is that this was an oversight made somewhere along the arduous journey of translation. I don’t know if that’s the whole story or not.

In any case, The human realm section (two pages) is now available and many, if not most dharma centers now include it.
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Yes, it was an omission and you should get the amended lines and add them in for the Human Realm.
དམ་པའི་དོན་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ཆེ་བ་དང་།
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།


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It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
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in the early 80s i was told ( i do not remember who it was) it is omitted because we ARE now in the human realm and so it is not necessary to include it, because we pray, etc. for ( or against rebirth there) it automatically
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lelopa wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 6:18 am
in the early 80s i was told ( i do not remember who it was) it is omitted because we ARE now in the human realm and so it is not necessary to include it, because we pray, etc. for ( or against rebirth there) it automatically
I heard the same. I believed it for a while. People will make up stuff to justify things. But in this particular case we know better now.
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Yup...it was careless hippies. No one noticed and then a good deal of arse covering ensued.. :smile:
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Here are the human verses:

(Sorry if there are missing charicters in the Tibetan, it was a copy and paste!)

ཐོག་ད་ས་ནས་ལས་ངན་བསགས་པ་མས། །
tokmé dü né lé ngen sakpé tü
Through the force of negative karma, accumulated throughout beginningless time,
འདད་ཆགས་དབང་ས་་་གནས་་ེས། །
döchak wang gi mi yi né su kyé
Beings who are overcome with passionate desire take birth in the human realm,
ེལ་ཕོངས་ག་བལ་ོང་བ་མས་ཅན་མས། །
drel pong dukngal nyongwé semchen nam
Where they suffer the torments of intense deprivation:
ང་མག་བ་བ་ཅན་་ེ་བར་ཤོག །
shying chok dewachen du kyewar shok
May they all be reborn in the supreme pureland, Sukhāvatī!

ༀ་མ་་པེ་ྂ།
om mani padmé hung
Oṃ maṇi padme hūm

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