understood this, since I studied an practiced Ngöndro for many years. And it is not so difficult to repeat it sometimes. But there is something that really scared me a bit away from higher Tantra. Just I am not sure if this higher yoginis I spoke to, are really so much higher. Their mind seems to be so very busy with limitless tantra imaginations. They know this yidam and that mudra and can discourse about the stick katwanga. And about black form of manjushri. But there was nothing in their words that made clear that what they are talking about is actually buddhism. Could have been hinduist tantra as well. I was not sure if they got the moon-reflexion analogy or the rainbow analogy. If they can visualize one tiny little bindu without building an inherently existing object in their minds.PeterC wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 12:41 pmit refers to merit and wisdom
The two accumulations in the kagyu mahamudra curriculum are gathered in the uncommon preliminaries, which themselves are vajrayana - they are all guru yoga of different forms. This is what Thrangu R, in the passage Astus quotes, says that practitioners of "sutra" mahamudra need to be doing. All roads lead to Rome.Second: If somebody practices "only" sutra mahamudra, what exactly is the minimum of other practises to practice from the Varjayana teachings? I cannot imagine it can be practised without at least a short formal guru yoga.
I do not want to judge about other people, but it scared me, I could to become like that. Tantra is such a big world and it can easily become a phantasy world. I am not sure if I am developed enough to get the point. This nadis and bindus... you can imagine all that and the mind is building imaginations of inherently existing objects.
People know all the tantra classes and what is fourth empowerment, but cannot repeat the rainbow-analogy....