A third candidate

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Re: A third candidate

Post by Grigoris » Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:43 pm

I just didn't want to use the same verb twice, that's also why I put the word "chosen" in apostrophes.
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Re: A third candidate

Post by conebeckham » Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:26 pm

No prob, Greg--just wanted the record to be clear. :namaste:
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Re: A third candidate

Post by Stewart » Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:57 pm

.....and Karmapa doesn't 'live with the Dalai Lama' Karmapa lives at Gyuto in Sidhbari...the Dalai Lama lives in McLeod Ganj, about half an hour away.
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Re: A third candidate

Post by Grigoris » Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:59 pm

samdrup wrote:.....and Karmapa doesn't 'live with the Dalai Lama' Karmapa lives at Gyuto in Sidhbari...the Dalai Lama lives in McLeod Ganj, about half an hour away.
Half an hour with what mode of transport EXACTLY!? A whole half an hour or 28 minutes and some seconds? Hmmmm...? :tongue:
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Re: A third candidate

Post by conebeckham » Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:03 pm

It's India....so transport is by Rickshaw (nah, I don't think so).... Or Putt Putt? Or Jeep, with 26 other passengers, including six hanging off the back? Or maybe, by TaTA..

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It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")

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Re: A third candidate

Post by Stewart » Fri Feb 03, 2012 9:17 pm

I said about half an hour Greg :smile: my point was Karmapa doesn't live with the Dalai Lama.

ps. I love in India too, too hot for me in summer though.
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Re: A third candidate

Post by conebeckham » Sat Feb 04, 2012 12:43 am

I love these things...

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རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
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"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")

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Re: A third candidate

Post by YesheDron'May » Sat Feb 04, 2012 8:34 pm

Why would HH The Dali Lama live with the Karmapa the chinese chose , Ise'nt he a fake Karmapa ??????

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Re: A third candidate

Post by Josef » Sat Feb 04, 2012 8:36 pm

YesheDron'May wrote:Why would HH The Dali Lama live with the Karmapa the chinese chose , Ise'nt he a fake Karmapa ??????
The Chinese didnt choose him and he doensnt live with the Dalai Lama.
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Re: A third candidate

Post by Grigoris » Sat Feb 04, 2012 8:50 pm

I reckon that people really need to kill the Karmapa that lives inside their head!
(apologies to the Situationist International)
It's the only way for them to actually see the Karmapa.
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Re: A third candidate

Post by Ösel » Sat Feb 04, 2012 9:27 pm

gregkavarnos wrote:I reckon that people really need to kill the Karmapa that lives inside their head!
(apologies to the Situationist International)
It's the only way for them to actually see the Karmapa.
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Re: A third candidate

Post by sherabpa » Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:19 am

The thing about this guy Dawa Sangpo is that he was born in 1977, four years before the H.H. 16th Karmapa died. This obviously disqualifies him from being a genuine candidate.

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Re: A third candidate

Post by pemachophel » Sat Feb 25, 2012 5:19 pm

The previous Dudjom Rinpoche, Jigdral Yeshe Dorje, was born several years before Dudjom Lingpa died. That didn't disqualify Him. Within the tulku system, this is a particular kind of tulku. Unfortunately, I don't remember the Tibetan name. Maybe someone else can supply it.
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Re: A third candidate

Post by Karinos » Sat Feb 25, 2012 8:54 pm

Emanation before the passing away of the predecessor (ma-dhey tulku)

Usually a reincarnation has to be someone’s taking rebirth as a human being after previously passing away. Ordinary sentient beings generally cannot manifest an emanation before death (ma-dhey tulku), but superior Bodhisattvas, who can manifest themselves in hundreds or thousands of bodies simultaneously, can manifest an emanation before death. Within the Tibetan system of recognizing Tulkus there are emanations who belong to the same mind-stream as the predecessor, emanations who are connected to others through the power of karma and prayers, and emanations who come as a result of blessings and appointment.
http://www.dalailama.com/messages/tibet ... -statement" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

btw - great reading from H.H. about Tulku system

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Re: A third candidate

Post by daelm » Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:26 am

sherabpa wrote:The thing about this guy Dawa Sangpo is that he was born in 1977, four years before the H.H. 16th Karmapa died. This obviously disqualifies him from being a genuine candidate.
not necessarily. tulkus have been appointed before under similar circumstances.


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