Virupa's Mahamudra Doha

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Virupa's Mahamudra Doha

Post by Astus » Tue Aug 11, 2015 1:40 pm

Is this doha known among Sakyapas? If so, how do they explain it, especially the following stanza:

"Some are completely tortured with empowerment rites,
some always count their rosary saying hum phat!
some consume shit, piss, blood, semen and meat,
some meditate the yoga of nadi and vayu, but all are deluded."
1 Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

2 If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

3 Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

4 With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.


1 Huangbo, T2012Ap381c1 2 Nirvana Sutra, T374p521b3; tr. Yamamoto 3 Mazu, X1321p3b23; tr. J. Jia 4 Yongjia, T2014p395c14; tr. from "The Sword of Wisdom"

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Re: Virupa's Mahamudra Doha

Post by kalden yungdrung » Tue Aug 11, 2015 3:26 pm

Astus wrote:Is this doha known among Sakyapas? If so, how do they explain it, especially the following stanza:

"Some are completely tortured with empowerment rites,
some always count their rosary saying hum phat!
some consume shit, piss, blood, semen and meat,
some meditate the yoga of nadi and vayu, but all are deluded."

Tashi delek A,

Nice Stanza.

- Is a Stanza always composed out of 4 lines?
- Why would be all deluded ?
- is this Stanza dealing with Tantra maybe?
- What is here the meaning of phat?

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Re: Virupa's Mahamudra Doha

Post by Malcolm » Tue Aug 11, 2015 3:34 pm

Astus wrote:Is this doha known among Sakyapas? If so, how do they explain it, especially the following stanza:

"Some are completely tortured with empowerment rites,
some always count their rosary saying hum phat!
some consume shit, piss, blood, semen and meat,
some meditate the yoga of nadi and vayu, but all are deluded."
Since this is my translation, I will answer. Until you are realized, you are deluded.
Buddhahood in This Life
འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: Virupa's Mahamudra Doha

Post by Astus » Tue Aug 11, 2015 3:41 pm

Malcolm wrote:Since this is my translation, I will answer. Until you are realized, you are deluded.
The poem seems to advocate entering Mahamudra directly and not through various stages, so the question if this is interpreted in a different way.
1 Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

2 If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

3 Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

4 With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.


1 Huangbo, T2012Ap381c1 2 Nirvana Sutra, T374p521b3; tr. Yamamoto 3 Mazu, X1321p3b23; tr. J. Jia 4 Yongjia, T2014p395c14; tr. from "The Sword of Wisdom"

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Re: Virupa's Mahamudra Doha

Post by Malcolm » Tue Aug 11, 2015 3:49 pm

Astus wrote:
Malcolm wrote:Since this is my translation, I will answer. Until you are realized, you are deluded.
The poem seems to advocate entering Mahamudra directly and not through various stages, so the question if this is interpreted in a different way.
It is not about that, it is about being attached to methods.

It also says:
“Mahamudra” is a mental imputation of the childish.
It also clarifies that a guru is indispensable:
Having been connected with a sublime Guru,
The main verse cited from this by Sakyapas is the following:
All sentient beings are emanations of mahamudra,
the essence of those emanations is the forever non-arising dharmadhatu,
also all characteristics of dualistic appearances, happiness, suffering and so on,
are the play of mahamudra, the original dharmata.
Buddhahood in This Life
འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: Virupa's Mahamudra Doha

Post by MalaBeads » Tue Aug 11, 2015 6:03 pm

Thanks for posting the main verse.
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Re: Virupa's Mahamudra Doha

Post by Astus » Tue Aug 11, 2015 7:52 pm

Malcolm wrote:It is not about that, it is about being attached to methods.
Thank you. :namaste:
1 Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

2 If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

3 Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

4 With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.


1 Huangbo, T2012Ap381c1 2 Nirvana Sutra, T374p521b3; tr. Yamamoto 3 Mazu, X1321p3b23; tr. J. Jia 4 Yongjia, T2014p395c14; tr. from "The Sword of Wisdom"

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Re: Virupa's Mahamudra Doha

Post by Sennin » Thu Nov 01, 2018 2:23 am

Are the dohas in the link above the only dohas of Virupa to be translated? Are they apart of a larger collection?

Thanks.
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Re: Virupa's Mahamudra Doha

Post by Malcolm » Thu Nov 01, 2018 3:01 pm

Sennin wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 2:23 am
Are the dohas in the link above the only dohas of Virupa to be translated? Are they apart of a larger collection?

Thanks.
There are a couple of short verses here and there, but this is the only complete large doha.
Buddhahood in This Life
འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: Virupa's Mahamudra Doha

Post by Sennin » Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:48 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 3:01 pm
Sennin wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 2:23 am
Are the dohas in the link above the only dohas of Virupa to be translated? Are they apart of a larger collection?

Thanks.
There are a couple of short verses here and there, but this is the only complete large doha.
:thanks:
Namo Guru Bhyaḥ

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Re: Virupa's Mahamudra Doha

Post by Thomas Amundsen » Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:25 pm

kalden yungdrung wrote:
Tue Aug 11, 2015 3:26 pm

- What is here the meaning of phat?
P-H-A-T: pretty, hot, and tempting

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It's a wrathful seed syllable, often related to prajnaparamita.

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