Sapan Manjushri - Sajam Bagtuk?
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Sapan Manjushri - Sajam Bagtuk?
Can anyone provide some information about this? E.g. how is "Sajam Bagtuk" spelled, a link to a Tibetan text and/or a translation, history and significance of this practice etc. Thanks in advance.
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sa 'jam sbag sgrub.
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OK, thanks. I don't see how "sbag sgrub" gets pronounced as "bagtuk" though. What does 'sbag' mean here?ratna wrote:sa 'jam sbag sgrub.
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Re: Sapan Manjushri - Sajam Bagtuk?
dzogchungpa wrote:Can anyone provide some information about this? E.g. how is "Sajam Bagtuk" spelled, a link to a Tibetan text and/or a translation, history and significance of this practice etc. Thanks in advance.
It is a practice based on the pure vision of the famous Sakya scholar, Yagton (gyag ston). It is referred to as the 'jam dpal dang sa paṇ sbags te sgrub, i.e. Mañjuśri and Sakya Pan̄ḍita Merged and Accomplished.
http://www.tbrc.org/eBooks/W23681-2417-303-340-any.pdf
It is an extremely important practice in the Sakya School, one which I did for many years. If you do this practice seriously, you will realize the actual meaning of Mahāmudra.
It also has a supplement, a pure vision of Dilgo Khyentse's where the sbags sgrub serves as the outer sadhana, as well as an inner and secret sadhana as well. This is included in Dilgo Khyentse's collected works.
http://www.tbrc.org/eBooks/W21809-1847-585-596-any.pdf
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Re: Sapan Manjushri - Sajam Bagtuk?
Merged.dzogchungpa wrote:OK, thanks. I don't see how "sbag sgrub" gets pronounced as "bagtuk" though. What does 'sbag' mean here?ratna wrote:sa 'jam sbag sgrub.
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OK, thanks for the info. I've been wanting to have a Manjushri practice for a while now, so this sounds quite promising.
There is not only nothingness because there is always, and always can manifest. - Thinley Norbu Rinpoche
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I rarely give advice, but what you really want is 'jam dpal smra ba'i seng ge.dzogchungpa wrote:OK, thanks for the info. I've been wanting to have a Manjushri practice for a while now, so this sounds quite promising.
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I think there are several practices by this name. Do you mean the one from Dudjom Lingpa?Malcolm wrote:I rarely give advice, but what you really want is 'jam dpal smra ba'i seng ge.dzogchungpa wrote:OK, thanks for the info. I've been wanting to have a Manjushri practice for a while now, so this sounds quite promising.
There is not only nothingness because there is always, and always can manifest. - Thinley Norbu Rinpoche
Re: Sapan Manjushri - Sajam Bagtuk?
Whichever one you can obtain the transmission for. They are all the same in intent and meaning. In general you want the Mañjuśrī/Sarasvati yab yum form.dzogchungpa wrote:I think there are several practices by this name. Do you mean the one from Dudjom Lingpa?Malcolm wrote:I rarely give advice, but what you really want is 'jam dpal smra ba'i seng ge.dzogchungpa wrote:OK, thanks for the info. I've been wanting to have a Manjushri practice for a while now, so this sounds quite promising.
Of course the Sapan Guru Yoga is fanastic too, but it is very specific, and if you are not a Sapan fanatic...
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OK, I understand. I will keep an eye out for that practice.Malcolm wrote:Whichever one you can obtain the transmission for. They are all the same in intent and meaning. In general you want the Mañjuśrī/Sarasvati yab yum form.
Of course the Sapan Guru Yoga is fanastic too, but it is very specific, and if you are not a Sapan fanatic...
There is not only nothingness because there is always, and always can manifest. - Thinley Norbu Rinpoche
Re: Sapan Manjushri - Sajam Bagtuk?
dzogchungpa wrote:OK, I understand. I will keep an eye out for that practice.Malcolm wrote:Whichever one you can obtain the transmission for. They are all the same in intent and meaning. In general you want the Mañjuśrī/Sarasvati yab yum form.
Of course the Sapan Guru Yoga is fanastic too, but it is very specific, and if you are not a Sapan fanatic...
As it is not given frequently, since it is not as popular as entrails-chewing demon destroyers, you will probably need to make a special request for it.
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Yes, it seems that entrails chewing and demon destruction are real crowd pleasers.Malcolm wrote:dzogchungpa wrote:OK, I understand. I will keep an eye out for that practice.Malcolm wrote:Whichever one you can obtain the transmission for. They are all the same in intent and meaning. In general you want the Mañjuśrī/Sarasvati yab yum form.
Of course the Sapan Guru Yoga is fanastic too, but it is very specific, and if you are not a Sapan fanatic...
As it is not given frequently, since it is not as popular as entrails-chewing demon destroyers, you will probably need to make a special request for it.
There is not only nothingness because there is always, and always can manifest. - Thinley Norbu Rinpoche
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Many Kagyu lamas give the one from NamCho Mingyur Dorje, in my experience.dzogchungpa wrote:Yes, it seems that entrails chewing and demon destruction are real crowd pleasers.Malcolm wrote:dzogchungpa wrote:
OK, I understand. I will keep an eye out for that practice.
As it is not given frequently, since it is not as popular as entrails-chewing demon destroyers, you will probably need to make a special request for it.
དམ་པའི་དོན་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ཆེ་བ་དང་།
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།
"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།
"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")
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Here are links to a translation of such a sadhana and a commentary:
https://buddha-nature.com/2011/06/10/cl ... -thrinlay/
https://buddha-nature.com/2011/06/08/th ... -rinpoche/
It seems that a certain "Cone Beckham" especially appreciated the latter.
https://buddha-nature.com/2011/06/10/cl ... -thrinlay/
https://buddha-nature.com/2011/06/08/th ... -rinpoche/
It seems that a certain "Cone Beckham" especially appreciated the latter.
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Well, of course he did!
དམ་པའི་དོན་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ཆེ་བ་དང་།
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།
"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།
"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")