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Sakya & Shangpa

Post by Lumi » Tue Nov 26, 2019 4:13 am

Are there any contemporary Sakya masters that practise Shangpa? Or is Shangpa only practised by Kagyup masters now?

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Re: Sakya & Shangpa

Post by mingweicello » Sat Dec 07, 2019 4:37 pm

many great sakya lamas transmit and teach shangpa.we have to know it is mainly through sakya and jonang(which is also deep rooted from Sakya)that the shangpa teachings have been transmitted without broken.
nowadays there is a nigu chodrup retreat center belongs to dzongsar gompa in Kham.

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Re: Sakya & Shangpa

Post by conebeckham » Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:10 pm

Good to hear that there are Sakya centers that uphold the Shangpa path, esp. retreat centers! Many masters from all lineages--including Nyingma and Geluk--maintain Shangpa practices as well. But I must say, it was Kyabje Dorje Chang Kalu Rinpoche, and his successors, who have spread the Shangpa far and wide. These days, there are several Shangpa retreat centers in India, Sikkim, etc., and also in Europe and the Americas. Really, for those of us with a connection to the Shangpa, it was Kongtrul and Jamyang Khyentse who together saved this tradition from fading away, and their successors are maintaining it to this day.
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"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")

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Re: Sakya & Shangpa

Post by smcj » Sat Dec 07, 2019 8:00 pm

Many masters from all lineages--including Nyingma and Geluk--maintain Shangpa practices as well.
When the current Kalu R was here he spoke about Lama Tsongkhapa’s main student (Jhedrup Ke?) having written a major commentary on 6 Arm Mahakala. I was pleasantly surprised about that.
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Re: Sakya & Shangpa

Post by conebeckham » Sun Dec 08, 2019 7:46 pm

smcj wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2019 8:00 pm
Many masters from all lineages--including Nyingma and Geluk--maintain Shangpa practices as well.
When the current Kalu R was here he spoke about Lama Tsongkhapa’s main student (Jhedrup Ke?) having written a major commentary on 6 Arm Mahakala. I was pleasantly surprised about that.
In fact, Mahakala Chagdrupa is the main protector of Tsong Khapa's lineage, the protector of "Highest Scope" for the Geluk tradition. Chagdrupa has many lineages, it's probably the most widespread Shangpa transmission. The Gelukpas favor the NyingShuk form, iconographically--this is actually a fairly rare transmission from among the Shangpa Mahakala Transmissions (there are said to be 13 transmissions in the Shangpa Mahakala tradition).
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རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
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དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།


"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")

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Re: Sakya & Shangpa

Post by Sonam Wangchug » Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:17 am

Lumi wrote:
Tue Nov 26, 2019 4:13 am
Are there any contemporary Sakya masters that practise Shangpa? Or is Shangpa only practised by Kagyup masters now?
Dzongsar Jamyang Khyentse Rinpoche has received the entire Shangpa Kagyu lineage from the previous Kyabje Kalu Rinpoche.

Not sure whether you would label him as a "Sakya master" or not being that he has also been born into hardliner Nyingma and Kagyu families and practices those lineages as well. However, being recognized initially by HH the sakya trinzin and completing education in the Sakya.

HHST and DJKR are also lineage holders of the Thangtong Nyengyu (ear whispered lineage) which passes down via Jamyang Khyentse Wangpo. Thangtong Gyalpo Rinpoche is connected with the Shangpa Kagyu.
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Re: Sakya & Shangpa

Post by Lumi » Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:44 am

Thank you so much for the info everyone :anjali:

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Re: Sakya & Shangpa

Post by conebeckham » Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:15 am

Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse also was a Sakya master, you know, though identified primarily as Nyingma. He also practiced Shangpa, and even wrote a beautiful dedication prayer for the Shangpa transmissions.

A lama told me, once, that the Shangpa practices are "inner practices" of many great lamas in all schools.
དམ་པའི་དོན་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ཆེ་བ་དང་།
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
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དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།


"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")

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Re: Sakya & Shangpa

Post by Sonam Wangchug » Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:12 am

Cone

Tai Situ Rinpoche seems to be one of the main holders of the Shangpa Kagyu these days, and I believe was the main one who transmitted the lineage to the current Kalu Yangsi Rinpoche

Do you know whether it was the the previous Kalu Rinpoche or the 16th Karmapa from whom Tai Situ Rinpoche received the lineage from?

Do you also know from whom the previous Kalu Rinpoche received the Shangpa Kagyu tradition?
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Re: Sakya & Shangpa

Post by aussiebloke » Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:38 am

When Chogyi Trichen Rinpoche visited Australia he gave an Chenrezig empowerment from the Shangpa tradition .

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Re: Sakya & Shangpa

Post by conebeckham » Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:01 pm

Sonam Wangchug wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:12 am
Cone

Tai Situ Rinpoche seems to be one of the main holders of the Shangpa Kagyu these days, and I believe was the main one who transmitted the lineage to the current Kalu Yangsi Rinpoche

Do you know whether it was the the previous Kalu Rinpoche or the 16th Karmapa from whom Tai Situ Rinpoche received the lineage from?

Do you also know from whom the previous Kalu Rinpoche received the Shangpa Kagyu tradition?
I believe Situ Rinpoche gave the transmission to Yangsi Kalu Rinpoche, and also I believe Bokar Rinpoche gave him the transmission as well. Have not confirmed that, but it would make sense, as Yangsi Kalu was in retreat at Mirik. I am certain that Khenpo Lodro Donyo Rinpoche also was instrumental in instructing Yangsi Kalu Rinpoche, as well.

Tai Situ Rinpoche received the Shangpa from Kyabje Kalu Rinpoche, for sure, as did all the heart sons. I imagine he got parts of it from HHGK as well, but don't know for sure. I do know Kyabje Kalu Rinpoche gave all the Heart Sons the transmission of DamNgak Dzo and Rinchen Terdzo, etc.
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རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
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དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།


"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")

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Re: Sakya & Shangpa

Post by conebeckham » Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:03 pm

aussiebloke wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:38 am
When Chogyi Trichen Rinpoche visited Australia he gave an Chenrezig empowerment from the Shangpa tradition .

Kyergangpa's Tradition of Avalokiteshvara? That's somewhat uncommon to encounter, and not part of the three year retreat curriculum, usually.
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རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།


"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")

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