Enochian wrote:Ok how can someone learn about him?
Namdrol, do you have any good Internet or book sources?
There is a book by templeman that has his biography.
Enochian wrote:Ok how can someone learn about him?
Namdrol, do you have any good Internet or book sources?
conebeckham wrote:Namdrol-
You said Ghantapada's was the first known Completion Stage commentary for Chakrasamvara....but didn't Luipa write on the completion stage as well? My understanding was that Luipa was the first or earliest of the Chakrasamvara Siddhas. Some say he "discovered" the tantra itself?
conebeckham wrote:Luipa does have the Four Great Yogas, which are completion stage practices, I think.
Tsong Khapa commented on them, I believe, as well.
I don't know if they're an existing lineage though. Seems the Gelukpas practice Ghantapa's Completion stage, mainly....I don't know about the Sakya practice, though I think it's based on Luipa's?
Kamtsang Kagyu practice is based on Luipa and Krishnacharya, though it's a unique transmission stemming from Marpa and subsequent masters.
Why do you say this?Namdrol wrote: The yogas underpinning the mahāmudra movement and tantras and their terminology as we know have non-Buddhsit origins and are heavily informed by Ayurveda, etc.
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Enochian wrote:Why do you say this?Namdrol wrote: The yogas underpinning the mahāmudra movement and tantras and their terminology as we know have non-Buddhsit origins and are heavily informed by Ayurveda, etc.
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Do you have something more than Alexis Sanderson's work?
What about Guhyagarbhatantra? No tummo there? I mean in particular in dpal gsang ba'i snying po de kho na nyid rnam par nges pa'i rgyud chen poNamdrol wrote: That is an interesting question. We actually have complaints by Nyingma authors from the tenth century expressing concern about new-fangeled, new-age clap trap yoga practices using cakras, and so on, borrowed from Hindus and being imported from India. It suggests that tummo was adapted from the mother tantras when they came to Tibet.
Nope.dzoki wrote:What about Guhyagarbhatantra? No tummo there? I mean in particular in dpal gsang ba'i snying po de kho na nyid rnam par nges pa'i rgyud chen poNamdrol wrote: That is an interesting question. We actually have complaints by Nyingma authors from the tenth century expressing concern about new-fangeled, new-age clap trap yoga practices using cakras, and so on, borrowed from Hindus and being imported from India. It suggests that tummo was adapted from the mother tantras when they came to Tibet.
Supposedly, according to Dudjom, this is the base of Lamdre.also I would expect he ru ka gal po che'i rgyud to have some of this stuff, since it said to be just like mother tantras of sarma in many respects.
Very hard to date these texts.Also Vairochana's thrulkhor has a practice with chakras and channels, unfortunately at present we have only two of the three texts regarding this topic from Vairo Nyengyu. The third one was supposed to deal with the tummo itself. The first one deals with yantras and tsa lungs (which have practices with channels and chakras), second is dealing with removing obstacles and gaining benefits.
Namdrol wrote:Enochian wrote:Why do you say this?Namdrol wrote: The yogas underpinning the mahāmudra movement and tantras and their terminology as we know have non-Buddhsit origins and are heavily informed by Ayurveda, etc.
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Do you have something more than Alexis Sanderson's work?
Oh, the sadanga yoga in Guhyasamaja, five vāyus in Ayurveda etc., all of these things are found in the pre-buddhist Upanishads.
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Bonpo. Just kidding, maybe, not really, I don't know.Enochian wrote:Namdrol wrote:Enochian wrote:
Why do you say this?
Do you have something more than Alexis Sanderson's work?
Oh, the sadanga yoga in Guhyasamaja, five vāyus in Ayurveda etc., all of these things are found in the pre-buddhist Upanishads.
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I thought you were going to hit me with some common origin of both the Buddhist and Hindu chakra systems!
Do Sakya Vajrakilaya and Vishuddha have dzogrim with characteristics? [/quote]Namdrol wrote:Nope.dzoki wrote:What about Guhyagarbhatantra? No tummo there? I mean in particular in dpal gsang ba'i snying po de kho na nyid rnam par nges pa'i rgyud chen poNamdrol wrote: That is an interesting question. We actually have complaints by Nyingma authors from the tenth century expressing concern about new-fangeled, new-age clap trap yoga practices using cakras, and so on, borrowed from Hindus and being imported from India. It suggests that tummo was adapted from the mother tantras when they came to Tibet.
Supposedly, according to Dudjom, this is the base of Lamdre.also I would expect he ru ka gal po che'i rgyud to have some of this stuff, since it said to be just like mother tantras of sarma in many respects.
Very hard to date these texts.Also Vairochana's thrulkhor has a practice with chakras and channels, unfortunately at present we have only two of the three texts regarding this topic from Vairo Nyengyu. The third one was supposed to deal with the tummo itself. The first one deals with yantras and tsa lungs (which have practices with channels and chakras), second is dealing with removing obstacles and gaining benefits.
It is hard to date these texts too. So we really cannot say anything conclusive with regard to gtum mo based on these texts. Further, we know that karmamudra practices predate gtum mo. So, pranāyama combined with karmamudra practices are present from a very early period. The point is, however, we don't know when gtummo practices entered Tibet.dzoki wrote:
Definitely dpal zla gsang thig le rtsa ba'i rgyud has a short passage on tummo, also sgyu 'phrul rgya mtsho rgyud has the following passage, according to Gyurme Dorje's translation:
Namdrol wrote: present at Shri Parvata (Sri Sailam in modern India) in Andhra Pradesha as a sambhogakāya.
Indeed, right now and for as long as the sun and moon exist.Enochian wrote:Namdrol wrote: present at Shri Parvata (Sri Sailam in modern India) in Andhra Pradesha as a sambhogakāya.
You mean right now?
I've been there!
Only here or on my blog.conebeckham wrote:Thanks, Namdrol...any chance your work will be published? Shri Chakrasamvara is a primary interest of mine.