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Differences between sects

Post by dolphin_color » Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:54 pm

Are there any texts you can recommend that describe the difference between the different Tibetan traditions? Yes, I have researched it myself. But I'm asking what you personally have found to be useful.

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Re: Differences between sects

Post by Queequeg » Sun Apr 14, 2019 1:42 pm

Some people may have objection but I found Reginald Ray's two volumes, "Secret of the Vajra World" and "Indestructible Truth" informative. I do not follow a Tibetan tradition, though.
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Re: Differences between sects

Post by Ayu » Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:55 pm

I believe, practically there are no important differences.
If you are searching for information due to the question which tradition to follow, maybe it's better to follow your heart.
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Re: Differences between sects

Post by madhusudan » Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:13 am

This one is kinda fun reading and may interest you:

https://www.lotsawahouse.org/tibetan-ma ... ur-schools

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Re: Differences between sects

Post by conebeckham » Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:22 pm

What I have found personally useful is to attend events at various centers, to get a feel for the flavor of practice and instruction.

I think the reading recommendations are good ones. The similarities, especially for someone outside of a Tibetan cultural background, will probably be far greater than the differences, in terms of daily practice, etc. Philosophical positions, and the relative value of such positions to more concrete meditation instruction, certainly differ. The actual prayers recited and practices undertaken will share a common core, but there will be specific methods for different lineages, for sure.
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Re: Differences between sects

Post by kalden yungdrung » Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:32 pm

dolphin_color wrote:
Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:54 pm
Are there any texts you can recommend that describe the difference between the different Tibetan traditions? Yes, I have researched it myself. But I'm asking what you personally have found to be useful.
Tashi delek,

The Tibetan Spiritual Traditions have here and there some historical differences which results in different Lineages with different Adi Buddhas.

They share similarities like : Compassion and Wisdom which form for all of them the base of their practise, no doubt about it.
This is a very important base because their Buddhas have it for the full 100 % realized and their adherents work on those specific realizations with different methods which causes different realizations on the ladder to Liberation.
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Re: Differences between sects

Post by pemachophel » Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:41 pm

I'd recommend Jamgon Kongtrul's The Ri-me Philosophy: A Study of the Buddhist Lineages of Tibet translated by Roingu Tulku and published by Shambhala (2006), ISBN-13 978-1-59030-286-9. Should be what you're looking for.
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Re: Differences between sects

Post by smcj » Tue Apr 16, 2019 7:33 am

Queequeg wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 1:42 pm
Some people may have objection but I found Reginald Ray's two volumes, "Secret of the Vajra World" and "Indestructible Truth" informative. I do not follow a Tibetan tradition, though.
“Indestructible Truth” has the material on the 4 traditions.
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Re: Differences between sects

Post by Dorje Shedrub » Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:40 pm

Dr. Alexander Berzin wrote:Some of the main differences in the explanations that the four traditions give of the teachings come from their ways of defining and using technical terms, as well as from their presenting the Dharma from different points of view.

For instance, the pair “permanent/impermanent” can mean either static/non-static or eternal/temporary. When the Gelugpas say that the mind is impermanent, they are referring to the fact that our minds are aware of different objects in each moment and so they never remain static. On the other hand, when Kagyupas and Nyingmapas explain that the mind is permanent, they are referring to the fact that the mind’s nature never changes and that it has no beginning or end. Both sides would agree, however, with the others’ assertions, despite their positions regarding the mind’s impermanence or permanence, on the surface, are diametrically opposed.

Another difference is that Gelug explains the Dharma from the point of view of ordinary beings, Sakya from that of highly realized aryas on the path, while Kagyu and Nyingma from the point of view of enlightened beings. So, for instance, Gelug says the subtlest mind still has the habits of ignorance, like at the time of death; Sakya says it is blissful like it is generated on the path; while Kagyu and Nyingma explain it has everything complete and perfect already, as in the case of Buddhas. Further, Gelug and Sakya explain from the point of view of practitioners who proceed slowly in stages, while Kagyu and Nyingma often present the path as it occurs with those rare practitioners for whom “everything happens at once.”
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Re: Differences between sects

Post by Grigoris » Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:10 pm

madhusudan wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:13 am
This one is kinda fun reading and may interest you:

https://www.lotsawahouse.org/tibetan-ma ... ur-schools
I love this one! :smile:
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Re: Differences between sects

Post by dolphin_color » Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:40 am

Thank you, everyone. Your replies are appreciated.

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