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Padmasambhava

Post by avatamsaka3 » Mon Apr 22, 2019 7:39 am

Is the role Guru Rinpoche plays in Gelug practice any different than it would be in other sects? Is he considered the second Buddha in this practice?

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Re: Padmasambhava

Post by Seeker12 » Mon Apr 22, 2019 2:15 pm

AFAIK, the Gelug school does not generally recognize the authenticity of the termas, and in general, I don't think Padmasambhava plays a primary role really at all. They've got other focuses.

Others may add/correct me, as I'm not positive.
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Re: Padmasambhava

Post by heart » Mon Apr 22, 2019 2:29 pm

dolphin_color wrote:
Mon Apr 22, 2019 7:39 am
Is the role Guru Rinpoche plays in Gelug practice any different than it would be in other sects? Is he considered the second Buddha in this practice?
The secret accomplishment Hayagriva is practiced within the Gelug. It is a terma with a lineage that goes to Guru Rinpoche. Also in Dalai Lamas temple in Dharamsala there is a huge very beautiful Guru Rinpoche statue that was, I was told, brought from Tibet.

http://rywiki.tsadra.org/index.php/Secr ... _Hayagriva

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Re: Padmasambhava

Post by Brunelleschi » Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:15 am

I do know Guru Rinpoche prayers have been recommended by leading Gelug-lamas... See: https://www.lamayeshe.com/advice/padmasambhava-prayer and http://www.robinacourtin.com/prayers-to-guru-rinpoche/.

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Re: Padmasambhava

Post by crazy-man » Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:37 pm

The 5th Dalai Lama and some other Gelug-lamas were terton, but not so many. For example, the 13th Dalai Lama was a disciple of Terton Sogyal and the 14th Dalai Lama was/is a disciple of Dudjom Rinpoche, Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche. The Namgyal monastery (personal monastery of Dalai Lama) performs periodically Vajrakilaya drubchen. One of main yidams of Sera Jey Monastery is terma Hayagriva Tamdrin Yangsang.
1st Panchen Lama was practitioner of Hayagriwa Sangdrub (Kyerganpa tradition) which is terma. He also wrote extensive commentaries and ritual texts related to this terma, including Dorje Legpa (Damchien Garwang Ngangpo) ritual and Pehar ritual.
Ra Lotsawa whos Yamantaka tradition is practiced in Gelugpa was himself master of Vajrakilaya and Chemchok Heruka.
Lama Tsongkhapa was considered emanation of Guru Rinpoche (as well)

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Re: Padmasambhava

Post by Sādhaka » Mon Aug 05, 2019 2:06 am

This^.

‘Rimé’ is basically ‘built’ into Tibetan Buddhadharma, whether some sectarians want to recognize it or not.

The main difference between schools (aside from some historical squabbles) is their debates over interpretations of Sutras, which is ultimately inconsequential.

The goal of all Tantra in all legitimate Tibetan schools is the same.

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Re: Padmasambhava

Post by tobes » Mon Aug 05, 2019 4:19 am

HHDL has fairly regularly taught Dzogchen from some of the aforementioned sources. Actually am currently reading one of those, which was a teaching he gave drawn from Patrul Rinpoche.

Some of his recent empowerment have also been Terma visions (usually from the 5th, but not exclusively).

I also know of a Gelug/FPMT centre in Tasmania Australia that undertook a very extensive Guru Rinpoche Tsog practice.

On the last point of by Crazy-man: I have also received this as advice from a very well regarded Gelug teacher.

Perhaps there are more problems going the other way, due to historical-political causes?

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Re: Padmasambhava

Post by SilenceMonkey » Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:58 pm

Lama Zopa Rinpoche’s previous life was a Nyingma meditation master called The Lawudo Lama. Probably because of this connection, Guru Rinpoche prayers and pujas are regularly done in the FPMT, and big guru Rinpoche statues are often seen in FPMT centers. There is also the famous 3-month vajrasattva retreat at both Tushita Meditation Center in Dharamsala and at Kopan Monastery in Nepal.

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