How did the originally pure nature become defiled?

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Re: How did the originally pure nature become defiled?

Post by Coëmgenu » Mon Jan 08, 2018 1:24 pm

You can basically also look at it like this, but I think the there is still a translation failure on the part of who originally rendered the passage into English.

Extended above are the mysterious [blueprints], and arrayed below lie the courts of darkness. The primordial [spirit] is contained within the great [blueprints], and the great [blueprints] lie concealed in the formless as the [divine governing principle or divine will] of sentient things. Within the [divine governing principle or divine will] are spirits, and within the spirits are bodies.

No action, yet change and transformation—each endowed with spontaneity. Subtly there arise [essences] and functions, and gradually there develop forms and names. Forms emerge from that which has no substance, and names arise from that which has no name. As forms and names multiply, the roaming [spirits] confuse what was pure.
歸命本覺心法身常住妙法心蓮臺本來莊嚴三身徳三十七尊住心
城遠離因果法然具普門塵數諸三昧無邊徳海本圓滿還我頂禮心諸佛

In reverence for the root gnosis of the heart, the dharmakāya,
for the ever present good law of the heart, the lotus terrace,
for the inborn adornment of the trikāya, the thirty-seven sages dwelling in the heart,
for that which is removed from seed and fruit, the upright key to the universal gate,
for all boundless concentrations, the sea of virtue, the root perfection,
I prostrate, bowing to the hearts of all Buddhas.

胎藏金剛菩提心義略問答鈔, Treatise on the teaching of the gnostic heart of the womb and the diamond, T2397.1.470c5-8

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Re: How did the originally pure nature become defiled?

Post by mansurhirbi87 » Sat Mar 02, 2019 7:47 pm

Coëmgenu wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2018 1:24 pm
You can basically also look at it like this, but I think the there is still a translation failure on the part of who originally rendered the passage into English.

Extended above are the mysterious [blueprints], and arrayed below lie the courts of darkness. The primordial [spirit] is contained within the great [blueprints], and the great [blueprints] lie concealed in the formless as the [divine governing principle or divine will] of sentient things. Within the [divine governing principle or divine will] are spirits, and within the spirits are bodies.

No action, yet change and transformation—each endowed with spontaneity. Subtly there arise [essences] and functions, and gradually there develop forms and names. Forms emerge from that which has no substance, and names arise from that which has no name. As forms and names multiply, the roaming [spirits] confuse what was pure.
Which text is it ???? :shrug: Tao te ching ?????

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Re: How did the originally pure nature become defiled?

Post by Coëmgenu » Sun Mar 03, 2019 6:55 am

mansurhirbi87 wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 7:47 pm
Coëmgenu wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2018 1:24 pm
You can basically also look at it like this, but I think the there is still a translation failure on the part of who originally rendered the passage into English.

Extended above are the mysterious [blueprints], and arrayed below lie the courts of darkness. The primordial [spirit] is contained within the great [blueprints], and the great [blueprints] lie concealed in the formless as the [divine governing principle or divine will] of sentient things. Within the [divine governing principle or divine will] are spirits, and within the spirits are bodies.

No action, yet change and transformation—each endowed with spontaneity. Subtly there arise [essences] and functions, and gradually there develop forms and names. Forms emerge from that which has no substance, and names arise from that which has no name. As forms and names multiply, the roaming [spirits] confuse what was pure.
Which text is it ???? :shrug: Tao te ching ?????
It's a looking at the Chinese behind the English translation of the Bǎozàng Lùn by Venerable Sēngzhào that was cited earlier. It is from The Treasury Treatise, 寶藏論, T1857. I am not a professional translator, just someone looking at the text speculating.
歸命本覺心法身常住妙法心蓮臺本來莊嚴三身徳三十七尊住心
城遠離因果法然具普門塵數諸三昧無邊徳海本圓滿還我頂禮心諸佛

In reverence for the root gnosis of the heart, the dharmakāya,
for the ever present good law of the heart, the lotus terrace,
for the inborn adornment of the trikāya, the thirty-seven sages dwelling in the heart,
for that which is removed from seed and fruit, the upright key to the universal gate,
for all boundless concentrations, the sea of virtue, the root perfection,
I prostrate, bowing to the hearts of all Buddhas.

胎藏金剛菩提心義略問答鈔, Treatise on the teaching of the gnostic heart of the womb and the diamond, T2397.1.470c5-8

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Re: How did the originally pure nature become defiled?

Post by mansurhirbi87 » Mon Mar 04, 2019 6:23 pm

Thank you

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Re: How did the originally pure nature become defiled?

Post by 無無無 » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:46 pm

Life was always such. But a "mistake" of confused compassion in the all knowing that lies in the mysterious origins of the cosmos split everything up into dualism. Temporarily at least since all things and beings return of themselves spontaneously to the source of ultimate reality. The absolute and all things experienced only exists as a returning motion to come full circle into perfection and happiness.

Rivers and mountains
Not rivers and mountains -
Then rivers and mountains again

I hope my shallow explanation of what little understanding i have does not cause any harm.

Peace.

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