Hey RORYrory wrote:Dear Son of Buddha;
if you wish to discuss Nichiren, kindly quote the text and list the gosho so we can have a fruitful conversation.
Here is Nichiren on the Lotus Sutra:
"Especially among the twenty-eight chapters the excellent and auspicious ones are the 'Chapter of Expedience' and the 'Chapter of the Measure of the Life Span.' The remaining chapters are branches and leaves. So among your constant works is to read the prose lines of the 'Chapter of Expedience' and the prose lines of the 'Chapter of the Measure of the Life Span'" (Gassui gosho, STN, v. 1, 290) (Eng: Letter on Menstruation)
This is the normal practice: chanting the prose portions of Chapter 2 and Chap 16 +daimoku that most Nichiren sects perform at their altars. We then study the Lotus Sutra.
"Manjushri said, 'in the midst of the sea I have only constantly proclaimed and preached the Sublime Dharma Flower Sutra." Ch 12 Devadatta.
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As for your assertion that the entire Lotus Sutra is an expedient, please quote some authority, perhaps Zhiyi, or Dengyo Daishi etc, so it is just not mere opinion.
MY REPLY:Nichirens goshos
(The object of devotion for observing the mind)
"ALL the teachings other than the "1 chapter and 2 halves" are hinayana in nature and erroneous.not only do they fail to lead to enlightenment,but they also lack the truth.Those who BELIEVE in them are (A BUNCH OF NAME CALLING)(after this nichiren tears into the lotus sutra hardcore)pointing out how you should abandon every chapter other than the "1 chapter and 2 halves)
so Rory do you BELIEVE in what is written in chapter 3 of the lotus sutra???if you do look up my refernece to see what nichiren thinks about you.
do you BELIEVE that you are to get rid of ALL hinayana and ALL proovisional teachings???if so then abandon ALL of the lotus sutra as you have abandoned all the other sutras who are provisional.
nichiren clearly states that ALL the qoutes you posted from the Lotus sutra are not the truth,and are erroneous,and you should NOT BELIEVE in them and you should DISCARD them just like all the other sutras of the Lord Buddha you have already discarded.
so you can see its not my opinion but nichirens opionion.
also why do you mention the Nirvana sutra???have you ever read the nirvana sutra??which proclaims itself 100 million times greater than ALL the sutras before it(their was none behind it to say it is higher than them)
I also thought it strange when nichiren said the lotus sutra is higher than the nirvana sutra and then "made this claim" with a fabricated false made up passage he claimed was in the nirvana sutra(seriously he rewrote the entire sentence and added the words nirvana and lotus sutra)
of course nichiren members wouldnt be the wiser they just accept what he says without looking to see if he lied to you(kinda like guru yoga to the extreme??
also note the nirvana sutra and lotus sutra are equal to me(they say the same thing)