What does it mean, "All other Buddhas are followers of Shakyamuni Buddha?

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Re: What does it mean, "All other Buddhas are followers of Shakyamuni Buddha?

Post by Minobu » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:37 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:13 pm
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Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:08 pm
Now now , play nice... i would not go that far as referring to people who believe Nichiren is an emanation of the Primordial Buddha as wack jobs.
It is one thing to claim Nichirin is an emanation of the Buddha, that claim I have no problem, though of course I do not believe it. I was referring to the claim of some Nicherinistas that Nicherin is really the supreme buddha. That claim, if made by an ordained monk, is a sanghabheda, a schism in the Sangha. If made by a lay person, it is simply ignorant foolishness.
i just want to correct you on the definition of "True Buddha of Kuon Ganjo "
Kuon ganjo is a time before sazen gintengyo..(SP)>>>.the whole Lotus time period with the bag of atoms thing...
As for Nichiren being The Tru Buddha and what it means a Nichiren sho Shu priest once told me this way..."There is no beginning and no end but in the beginning of the beginning...." he left it at that and he went all silent and knowledge like...

The True Buddha is direct comment on Nichiren being a perfect emanation of the Primordial Buddha..

for me...it's all up to debate BUT !!!!
as for the Primordial Buddha ...for me i can only think like this...

It's something only Buddhas can share in , all others..well...
It's not like Buddha Sakyamuni or the Kaya bodied at all.... it is what ever MYO HO Ren Ge means...that's the Eternal Primordial Buddha of no beginning and no end...MyoHO RenGe

Lotus Buddhism brings us to that knowledge and we get to feel like soft wool when we practice and chant it proper like..soft wool being that which Lama Tsong Khappa said something feels like....

anyway...Malcolm , you don;t answer my questions ...they are still in your notifications...

Do you really believe the best you can do is die and go to pure land...and do you really think it is that easy as some claim...and do you believe that when some totally affiliated being just does the required criteria and dies ...he gets all cleaned up and goes to pure land...
you do realize people are saying this is what Buddhism is all about...at the very least when you die you get to know...and live happy ever after ...

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Re: What does it mean, "All other Buddhas are followers of Shakyamuni Buddha?

Post by Malcolm » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:58 pm

Minobu wrote:
Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:37 pm


Do you really believe the best you can do is die and go to pure land...and do you really think it is that easy as some claim...and do you believe that when some totally affiliated being just does the required criteria and dies ...he gets all cleaned up and goes to pure land...
you do realize people are saying this is what Buddhism is all about...at the very least when you die you get to know...and live happy ever after ...
The best is attaining full buddhahood in this life. If not that, then attaining buddhahood in the bardo, and if not that, in a buddhafield in the next life.

There are plenty of options.
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Re: What does it mean, "All other Buddhas are followers of Shakyamuni Buddha?

Post by Minobu » Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:29 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:58 pm
Minobu wrote:
Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:37 pm


Do you really believe the best you can do is die and go to pure land...and do you really think it is that easy as some claim...and do you believe that when some totally affiliated being just does the required criteria and dies ...he gets all cleaned up and goes to pure land...
you do realize people are saying this is what Buddhism is all about...at the very least when you die you get to know...and live happy ever after ...
The best is attaining full buddhahood in this life. If not that, then attaining buddhahood in the bardo, and if not that, in a buddhafield in the next life.

There are plenty of options.
Very well said
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Re: What does it mean, "All other Buddhas are followers of Shakyamuni Buddha?

Post by Minobu » Fri Oct 13, 2017 4:40 pm

Minobu wrote:
Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:29 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:58 pm
Minobu wrote:
Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:37 pm


Do you really believe the best you can do is die and go to pure land...and do you really think it is that easy as some claim...and do you believe that when some totally affiliated being just does the required criteria and dies ...he gets all cleaned up and goes to pure land...
you do realize people are saying this is what Buddhism is all about...at the very least when you die you get to know...and live happy ever after ...
The best is attaining full buddhahood in this life. If not that, then attaining buddhahood in the bardo, and if not that, in a buddhafield in the next life.

There are plenty of options.
Very well said
d
so would you recommend putting your apples in which basket?
The best is attaining full buddhahood in this life.
so if you don;t do it here then why would the Bardo with all it's confusion multiplying every seven days be a place to attain buddhahood.
in a buddhafield in the next life
am i wrong in assuming that this is really really hard to get to.
Do you believe some totally afflicted person with a daily practice that shows no fruition in their daily lives of the practitioner will instantly transport the person and the afflictions to a pure place such as a Pure Land .

i just cannot fathom that as being viable.

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Re: What does it mean, "All other Buddhas are followers of Shakyamuni Buddha?

Post by Malcolm » Fri Oct 13, 2017 4:50 pm

Minobu wrote:
Fri Oct 13, 2017 4:40 pm

so would you recommend putting your apples in which basket?
I prefer to hedge my bets, rather than placing all my apples in one basket.


The best is attaining full buddhahood in this life.
so if you don;t do it here then why would the Bardo with all it's confusion multiplying every seven days be a place to attain buddhahood.
One has seven times more clarity in the bardo than in this life because one is not encumbered with a physical body.

in a buddhafield in the next life
am i wrong in assuming that this is really really hard to get to.
Yup.

Do you believe some totally afflicted person with a daily practice that shows no fruition in their daily lives of the practitioner will instantly transport the person and the afflictions to a pure place such as a Pure Land .
It depends on what their daily practice is.
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Re: What does it mean, "All other Buddhas are followers of Shakyamuni Buddha?

Post by Minobu » Fri Oct 13, 2017 5:42 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Fri Oct 13, 2017 4:50 pm

in a buddhafield in the next life
am i wrong in assuming that this is really really hard to get to.
Yup.

Do you believe some totally afflicted person with a daily practice that shows no fruition in their daily lives of the practitioner will instantly transport the person and the afflictions to a pure place such as a Pure Land .
It depends on what their daily practice is.
ok so i see where your head is at on the whole die and go to pure land thing.

for me, just saying..it does not interest me, the whole die and you will see results practice.

personally thats gotta be one helluva practice...I have not met one person whom i would say is anyway near clearing up their affiliations to get the ticket to "Big Casino"..

just yesterday you called people wack jobs for not understanding their position of belief. so you do realize work is much needed...just saying...don't shoot the messenger Malcolm.


i would suggest you try doing what Lord Buddha Sakyamuni said is called for in this defiled age of degeneration..I could help you with that, q is cool but i gots the goods. you like healing..Helped to heal my father of an incurable cancer of the bone marrow...only guy to have Waldenstrom's MacroGlobulin Anamia go into total remission ,actual bone marrow came back to life after being dead for over two years whilst he lived totally on blood transfusions...all from chanting Nam MyoHo RenGe Kyo, and not knowing a thing about it. Lived five years free of cancer and transfusions, readied himself for death after becoming a Buddhist, he was an atheist so it was a big deal to see him realize the teaching ...Even CBC , Canada's national media did an interview with him.

Say what you will about the Nichirenistas , as you put it yesterday as well, but all of them develope compassion ..never seen a group in what ever sect to be as compassionate as they.


I shall hang with the Avalokiteshvara crowd and do all this stuff slumming down here..
plenty of time for the retire in pure land and live in bliss..


happy trails Malcolm.

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Re: What does it mean, "All other Buddhas are followers of Shakyamuni Buddha?

Post by Malcolm » Fri Oct 13, 2017 7:14 pm

Minobu wrote:
Fri Oct 13, 2017 5:42 pm
i would suggest you try doing what Lord Buddha Sakyamuni said is called for in this defiled age of degeneration..
The Buddha said many things. It is up to each of us to decide which thing he said is the most important. This is why I am a follower of Secret Mantra, then among Secret Mantra, Ati Yoga, since I think this is the most profound teaching the Buddha taught for sentient beings in this degenerate age. YMMV.
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Re: What does it mean, "All other Buddhas are followers of Shakyamuni Buddha?

Post by Minobu » Fri Oct 13, 2017 7:42 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Fri Oct 13, 2017 7:14 pm
Minobu wrote:
Fri Oct 13, 2017 5:42 pm
i would suggest you try doing what Lord Buddha Sakyamuni said is called for in this defiled age of degeneration..
The Buddha said many things. It is up to each of us to decide which thing he said is the most important. This is why I am a follower of Secret Mantra, then among Secret Mantra, Ati Yoga, since I think this is the most profound teaching the Buddha taught for sentient beings in this degenerate age. YMMV.
As always thank you for sharing in your knowledge
and i truly wish you only the best.
i'm not easy to understand online but you always give your time to me
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