What does it mean, "All other Buddhas are followers of Shakyamuni Buddha?
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Re: What does it mean, "All other Buddhas are followers of Shakyamuni Buddha?
Nichiren is the one who Inscribed The Gohonzon of Nam Myoho Kyo. This is a Nichiren Buddhist Forum yet all of you are Stuck on Shakyamuni’s Teachings above that of Nichiren’s Buddhism!
There is no Buddhism of Shayamuni’s within the Practice of Nichiren’s Buddhism otherwise say you actually practice Shakyamuni’s Buddhism. Which has no power in this age!
That is most evident in your arguments in the Debate here
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Your affinity towards Recitation of Shakyamuni’s Lotus Sutra is proof of your misunderstanding of Faith in Nichiren’s Gohonzon of Nam Myoho Renge Kyo.
I feel your need to cling needlessly to Provisional Teachings and lack of understanding of Faith in Nichiren’s Teachings and his purpose which he alone fulfilled!
There is no validity of Shakyamuni’s Buddhism as a Practice in the Latter Day of The Law in Nichiren’s Buddhism!
This is what I believe!
There is no Buddhism of Shayamuni’s within the Practice of Nichiren’s Buddhism otherwise say you actually practice Shakyamuni’s Buddhism. Which has no power in this age!
That is most evident in your arguments in the Debate here
viewtopic.php?t=23047
Your affinity towards Recitation of Shakyamuni’s Lotus Sutra is proof of your misunderstanding of Faith in Nichiren’s Gohonzon of Nam Myoho Renge Kyo.
I feel your need to cling needlessly to Provisional Teachings and lack of understanding of Faith in Nichiren’s Teachings and his purpose which he alone fulfilled!
There is no validity of Shakyamuni’s Buddhism as a Practice in the Latter Day of The Law in Nichiren’s Buddhism!
This is what I believe!
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Re: What does it mean, "All other Buddhas are followers of Shakyamuni Buddha?
There is no suffering to be severed. Ignorance and klesas are indivisible from bodhi. There is no cause of suffering to be abandoned. Since extremes and the false are the Middle and genuine, there is no path to be practiced. Samsara is nirvana. No severance achieved. No suffering nor its cause. No path, no end. There is no transcendent realm; there is only the one true aspect. There is nothing separate from the true aspect.
-Guanding, Perfect and Sudden Contemplation,
-Guanding, Perfect and Sudden Contemplation,
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Re: What does it mean, "All other Buddhas are followers of Shakyamuni Buddha?
Are you capable of explaining what those arguments actually are?JazzIsTvRicky wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2017 3:39 pmThat is most evident in your arguments in the Debate here
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In order to respond to something you should first be able to rephrase it in such a way as that your opponent agrees with it. That's how one knows that they understand what is being said at all.
So this is not a sarcastic comment, it is a serious question: do you understand at all any of the arguments that have been put to you? Can you explain any single one of them?
Then, the monks uttered this gāthā:
These bodies are like foam.
Them being frail, who can rejoice in them?
The Buddha attained the vajra-body.
Still, it becomes inconstant and ruined.
The many Buddhas are vajra-entities.
All are also subject to inconstancy.
Quickly ended, like melting snow --
how could things be different?
The Buddha passed into parinirvāṇa afterward.
(T1.27b10 Mahāparinirvāṇasūtra DĀ 2)
These bodies are like foam.
Them being frail, who can rejoice in them?
The Buddha attained the vajra-body.
Still, it becomes inconstant and ruined.
The many Buddhas are vajra-entities.
All are also subject to inconstancy.
Quickly ended, like melting snow --
how could things be different?
The Buddha passed into parinirvāṇa afterward.
(T1.27b10 Mahāparinirvāṇasūtra DĀ 2)
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Re: What does it mean, "All other Buddhas are followers of Shakyamuni Buddha?
may i ask you.JazzIsTvRicky wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2017 3:39 pm Nichiren is the one who Inscribed The Gohonzon of Nam Myoho Kyo. This is a Nichiren Buddhist Forum yet all of you are Stuck on Shakyamuni’s Teachings above that of Nichiren’s Buddhism!
There is no Buddhism of Shayamuni’s within the Practice of Nichiren’s Buddhism otherwise say you actually practice Shakyamuni’s Buddhism. Which has no power in this age!
That is most evident in your arguments in the Debate here
viewtopic.php?t=23047
Your affinity towards Recitation of Shakyamuni’s Lotus Sutra is proof of your misunderstanding of Faith in Nichiren’s Gohonzon of Nam Myoho Renge Kyo.
I feel your need to cling needlessly to Provisional Teachings and lack of understanding of Faith in Nichiren’s Teachings and his purpose which he alone fulfilled!
There is no validity of Shakyamuni’s Buddhism as a Practice in the Latter Day of The Law in Nichiren’s Buddhism!
This is what I believe!
when you say provisional Buddha and provisional teachings, what do you mean ?
and what would Nichiren daishonin be considered...what word would you use to describe him other than provisional, because i don't get what you mean by provincial buddha and one that is something other...what is the something other..
i just realized you never answer a question posed to you and i just ended up asking you in the weirdest way possible...
ok fingers crossed hope you answer so we know what you are talking about. and more importantly if you know what a provisional buddha is and what would be the word for a non provisional Buddha and teaching?
Re: What does it mean, "All other Buddhas are followers of Shakyamuni Buddha?
really?...standard?? ..they usually talk of lands smooth with no hills and such but grids and straight lines...Queequeg wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2017 12:50 pmBDK. Available here: http://www.bdk.or.jp/english/english_tr ... nload.html
Not sure if this is a gloss. Probably is. The description of pure lands being laid out on grids with straight lines is standard.
the word chessboard implies so much more than lines on a grid..did the Lotus sutra talk about chessboards..why the use of the word.
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Re: What does it mean, "All other Buddhas are followers of Shakyamuni Buddha?
Yeah, there's no mention of chess or a chessboard. The section you are looking at is here:Minobu wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2017 6:59 pmreally?...standard?? ..they usually talk of lands smooth with no hills and such but grids and straight lines...Queequeg wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2017 12:50 pmBDK. Available here: http://www.bdk.or.jp/english/english_tr ... nload.html
Not sure if this is a gloss. Probably is. The description of pure lands being laid out on grids with straight lines is standard.
the word chessboard implies so much more than lines on a grid..did the Lotus sutra talk about chessboards..why the use of the word.
時娑婆世界即變清淨,琉璃為地,寶樹莊嚴,黃金為繩以界八道,無諸聚落、村營、城邑、大海、江河、山川、林藪。
Particularly this clause: "黃金為繩以界八道", or "gold as a cord to border the eight paths".
IMO its ambiguous if roads are even being mentioned, as 八道 also refers to the Eightfold Path (in addition to its possible reading of 'eight roads') in Chinese EBTs, and the Venerable Kumārajīva is only about 1-2 hundred years off the mark for those.
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Then, the monks uttered this gāthā:
These bodies are like foam.
Them being frail, who can rejoice in them?
The Buddha attained the vajra-body.
Still, it becomes inconstant and ruined.
The many Buddhas are vajra-entities.
All are also subject to inconstancy.
Quickly ended, like melting snow --
how could things be different?
The Buddha passed into parinirvāṇa afterward.
(T1.27b10 Mahāparinirvāṇasūtra DĀ 2)
These bodies are like foam.
Them being frail, who can rejoice in them?
The Buddha attained the vajra-body.
Still, it becomes inconstant and ruined.
The many Buddhas are vajra-entities.
All are also subject to inconstancy.
Quickly ended, like melting snow --
how could things be different?
The Buddha passed into parinirvāṇa afterward.
(T1.27b10 Mahāparinirvāṇasūtra DĀ 2)
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Re: What does it mean, "All other Buddhas are followers of Shakyamuni Buddha?
Consulting readings based on the Watson translation at NichirenLibrary, the passage above then specifies that there are no cities or towns (無諸聚落、村營、城邑) in the purified sahalokadhātu. Obviously this is a very pedestrian observation, that there are no cities or towns specifically specified, so these roads clearly have some other purpose/symbolism.
This would make a good thread on its own.
The notion of these roads being in some way figurative or referential to the eightfold path, is this too fanciful a connection to draw based on the usage of 八道 in earlier literature (the Sarvāstivāda āgamas, etc)?
This would make a good thread on its own.
The notion of these roads being in some way figurative or referential to the eightfold path, is this too fanciful a connection to draw based on the usage of 八道 in earlier literature (the Sarvāstivāda āgamas, etc)?
Then, the monks uttered this gāthā:
These bodies are like foam.
Them being frail, who can rejoice in them?
The Buddha attained the vajra-body.
Still, it becomes inconstant and ruined.
The many Buddhas are vajra-entities.
All are also subject to inconstancy.
Quickly ended, like melting snow --
how could things be different?
The Buddha passed into parinirvāṇa afterward.
(T1.27b10 Mahāparinirvāṇasūtra DĀ 2)
These bodies are like foam.
Them being frail, who can rejoice in them?
The Buddha attained the vajra-body.
Still, it becomes inconstant and ruined.
The many Buddhas are vajra-entities.
All are also subject to inconstancy.
Quickly ended, like melting snow --
how could things be different?
The Buddha passed into parinirvāṇa afterward.
(T1.27b10 Mahāparinirvāṇasūtra DĀ 2)
Re: What does it mean, "All other Buddhas are followers of Shakyamuni Buddha?
you always see what others don't Coëmgenu , and start a whole other ball rolling.Coëmgenu wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2017 8:11 pm Consulting readings based on the Watson translation at NichirenLibrary, the passage above then specifies that there are no cities or towns (無諸聚落、村營、城邑) in the purified sahalokadhātu. Obviously this is a very pedestrian observation, that there are no cities or towns specifically specified, so these roads clearly have some other purpose/symbolism.
This would make a good thread on its own.
The notion of these roads being in some way figurative or referential to the eightfold path, is this too fanciful a connection to draw based on the usage of 八道 in earlier literature (the Sarvāstivāda āgamas, etc)?
If there are spiritual understandings , that someone clued into the meaning hidden in the allegories sees,why are they not handed down orally?
I think it is because if you don't see them yourself , you are not ready.
I brought up Kundalini and Malcolm said there is no kundalini in Nichiren's teachings.
and yet the gohonzon can be viewed as being a diagram for ones' three channels .
the two on each side are filled with protective deities and the middle is the source .
Nichiren Daishonin sits at the Bottom where the Great Work is to take place.
seek this inside you. Let The Blessings from focus and chanting with The outer Image activate that which is needed for the Great Work inside you.
funny how i never heard of Kundalini till i started to chant. The fact i cured my father brought people to me that wanted to be intimate with me...i was taught and being with that person activated Her.
Then the great Sansho shima appeared and i was to weak to understand...let It take me away in the guise of a priest's guidance on something he knew nothing about...
ahhh live and learn....
Give thanks...it's Thanksgiving in Canada..
Re: What does it mean, "All other Buddhas are followers of Shakyamuni Buddha?
I don't know where my recollection comes from...Coëmgenu wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2017 8:11 pm Consulting readings based on the Watson translation at NichirenLibrary, the passage above then specifies that there are no cities or towns (無諸聚落、村營、城邑) in the purified sahalokadhātu. Obviously this is a very pedestrian observation, that there are no cities or towns specifically specified, so these roads clearly have some other purpose/symbolism.
This would make a good thread on its own.
The notion of these roads being in some way figurative or referential to the eightfold path, is this too fanciful a connection to draw based on the usage of 八道 in earlier literature (the Sarvāstivāda āgamas, etc)?
my recollection is that the roads are laid out in a grid so that there are 8 squares surrounding the central square occupied by the buddha... in the Sukhavati Visualization sutra the paths are described as cris-crossing like a net. You often see this layout in mandala images, for instance, particularly, in the diamond world mandala. I think the 8 squares may relate to the 8 directions.
I'm not standing by that, though.
There is no suffering to be severed. Ignorance and klesas are indivisible from bodhi. There is no cause of suffering to be abandoned. Since extremes and the false are the Middle and genuine, there is no path to be practiced. Samsara is nirvana. No severance achieved. No suffering nor its cause. No path, no end. There is no transcendent realm; there is only the one true aspect. There is nothing separate from the true aspect.
-Guanding, Perfect and Sudden Contemplation,
-Guanding, Perfect and Sudden Contemplation,
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Re: What does it mean, "All other Buddhas are followers of Shakyamuni Buddha?
All I need to know is within Nichiren’s Teachings and all I need to do is Chant Nam Myoho Renge Kyo in my Practice of Faith in The Gohonzon of Nam Myoho Renge Kyo!
I’ll leave the intellectuals to do what they do! Buddhism is not about knowledge but Faith. This is my concentration and always has been! Try learning what Faith in Nichiren’s Buddhism is and I am sure you will find it when you continue Studying ‘Gongyo as Practiced by Nichiren Buddhism Sects’
As over 12000 others are doing all over the World!
What a wonderful contribution all if you have made.
Thank you for your sincerity and time!
Sincerely
I’ll leave the intellectuals to do what they do! Buddhism is not about knowledge but Faith. This is my concentration and always has been! Try learning what Faith in Nichiren’s Buddhism is and I am sure you will find it when you continue Studying ‘Gongyo as Practiced by Nichiren Buddhism Sects’
As over 12000 others are doing all over the World!
What a wonderful contribution all if you have made.
Thank you for your sincerity and time!
Sincerely
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Re: What does it mean, "All other Buddhas are followers of Shakyamuni Buddha?
so you don't know why you post the stuff you post.JazzIsTvRicky wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2017 4:12 am All I need to know is within Nichiren’s Teachings and all I need to do is Chant Nam Myoho Renge Kyo in my Practice of Faith in The Gohonzon of Nam Myoho Renge Kyo!
I’ll leave the intellectuals to do what they do! Buddhism is not about knowledge but Faith. This is my concentration and always has been! Try learning what Faith in Nichiren’s Buddhism is and I am sure you will find it when you continue Studying ‘Gongyo as Practiced by Nichiren Buddhism Sects’
As over 12000 others are doing all over the World!
What a wonderful contribution all if you have made.
Thank you for your sincerity and time!
Sincerely
it really is just copy paste stuff you have no idea about.
and this is the bow out with egg on your face post...
what a nightmare!!!!
by the by if anyone ever never wanted blind faith it is Buddha and the person you call your teacher The Very Venerable Dai Sensei Nichiren Daishonin
and it is all about knowledge....faith is the key to the practice...knowledge is the key to shakubuku . there comes a point where study goes beyond faith...
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Re: What does it mean, "All other Buddhas are followers of Shakyamuni Buddha?
We're having our dinner today due to trying to schedule between different peoples' work schedules. Are you seeing a connection between these paths/roads (and the 'gold as a cord/thread/string/rope') and kuṇḍalinī?Minobu wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2017 10:22 pmyou always see what others don't Coëmgenu , and start a whole other ball rolling.Coëmgenu wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2017 8:11 pm Consulting readings based on the Watson translation at NichirenLibrary, the passage above then specifies that there are no cities or towns (無諸聚落、村營、城邑) in the purified sahalokadhātu. Obviously this is a very pedestrian observation, that there are no cities or towns specifically specified, so these roads clearly have some other purpose/symbolism.
This would make a good thread on its own.
The notion of these roads being in some way figurative or referential to the eightfold path, is this too fanciful a connection to draw based on the usage of 八道 in earlier literature (the Sarvāstivāda āgamas, etc)?
If there are spiritual understandings , that someone clued into the meaning hidden in the allegories sees,why are they not handed down orally?
I think it is because if you don't see them yourself , you are not ready.
I brought up Kundalini and Malcolm said there is no kundalini in Nichiren's teachings.
Then, the monks uttered this gāthā:
These bodies are like foam.
Them being frail, who can rejoice in them?
The Buddha attained the vajra-body.
Still, it becomes inconstant and ruined.
The many Buddhas are vajra-entities.
All are also subject to inconstancy.
Quickly ended, like melting snow --
how could things be different?
The Buddha passed into parinirvāṇa afterward.
(T1.27b10 Mahāparinirvāṇasūtra DĀ 2)
These bodies are like foam.
Them being frail, who can rejoice in them?
The Buddha attained the vajra-body.
Still, it becomes inconstant and ruined.
The many Buddhas are vajra-entities.
All are also subject to inconstancy.
Quickly ended, like melting snow --
how could things be different?
The Buddha passed into parinirvāṇa afterward.
(T1.27b10 Mahāparinirvāṇasūtra DĀ 2)
Re: What does it mean, "All other Buddhas are followers of Shakyamuni Buddha?
with a big FWIW...Queequeg wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2017 11:48 pmI don't know where my recollection comes from...Coëmgenu wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2017 8:11 pm Consulting readings based on the Watson translation at NichirenLibrary, the passage above then specifies that there are no cities or towns (無諸聚落、村營、城邑) in the purified sahalokadhātu. Obviously this is a very pedestrian observation, that there are no cities or towns specifically specified, so these roads clearly have some other purpose/symbolism.
This would make a good thread on its own.
The notion of these roads being in some way figurative or referential to the eightfold path, is this too fanciful a connection to draw based on the usage of 八道 in earlier literature (the Sarvāstivāda āgamas, etc)?
my recollection is that the roads are laid out in a grid so that there are 8 squares surrounding the central square occupied by the buddha... in the Sukhavati Visualization sutra the paths are described as cris-crossing like a net. You often see this layout in mandala images, for instance, particularly, in the diamond world mandala. I think the 8 squares may relate to the 8 directions.
I'm not standing by that, though.
I can confirm that some Tendai practitioners I have encountered do regard the Lotus Sutra as an esoteric text, analogous to the canon of texts the Tibetans call tantras. The person who informed me of this is deceased, so I can't follow up on it, and besides, this may not be relevant to the current discussion (i.e, this may be a way of thinking that emerged in Tendai-shu well after Nichiren's time). I bring it up only because we're entertaining speculations and there's some chance it may be interesting to someone.
This is completely irrelevant to the discussion Minobu and Malcolm were having about kundalini, however.
Happy Thanksgiving to our friends north of the 49th parallel.
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Also, a couple of related threads I spun off to explore ideas that came up as I read this one.
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viewtopic.php?f=53&t=26718
viewtopic.php?f=39&t=26717
viewtopic.php?f=53&t=26718
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Minobu wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2017 4:27 pmso you don't know why you post the stuff you post.JazzIsTvRicky wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2017 4:12 am All I need to know is within Nichiren’s Teachings and all I need to do is Chant Nam Myoho Renge Kyo in my Practice of Faith in The Gohonzon of Nam Myoho Renge Kyo!
I’ll leave the intellectuals to do what they do! Buddhism is not about knowledge but Faith. This is my concentration and always has been! Try learning what Faith in Nichiren’s Buddhism is and I am sure you will find it when you continue Studying ‘Gongyo as Practiced by Nichiren Buddhism Sects’
As over 12000 others are doing all over the World!
What a wonderful contribution all if you have made.
Thank you for your sincerity and time!
Sincerely
it really is just copy paste stuff you have no idea about.
and this is the bow out with egg on your face post...
what a nightmare!!!!
by the by if anyone ever never wanted blind faith it is Buddha and the person you call your teacher The Very Venerable Dai Sensei Nichiren Daishonin
and it is all about knowledge....faith is the key to the practice...knowledge is the key to shakubuku . there comes a point where study goes beyond faith...
Please show me where Nichiren or any other Buddha says Study gose beyond Faith
Nichiren Teaches
“Since you press me for an answer, listen and then have firm faith in what you have heard. The passage is that in the “Life Span” chapter that reads: “I will leave this good medicine here. You should take it and not worry that it will not cure you.”
I am amused by your interpretations my friend
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Re: What does it mean, "All other Buddhas are followers of Shakyamuni Buddha?
What about the section of that very same "Life Span" chapter that proclaims Śākyamuni Buddha as True Buddha, not the Venerable Nichiren? What about your insistence that the Lotus Sutra has nothing to do with the teachings of the Venerable Nichiren? Why should a passage in the Lotus Sutra have any bearing on the dharma of the Venerable Nichiren, according to the criteria you have set out, that is to say: "Lotus Sutra=garbage teaching of Śākyamuni Buddha & Daimoku=true teaching of a different Buddha who happens to be Ven Nichiren"?JazzIsTvRicky wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2017 2:02 am Please show me where Nichiren or any other Buddha says Study gose beyond Faith
Nichiren Teaches
“Since you press me for an answer, listen and then have firm faith in what you have heard. The passage is that in the “Life Span” chapter that reads: “I will leave this good medicine here. You should take it and not worry that it will not cure you.”
Then, the monks uttered this gāthā:
These bodies are like foam.
Them being frail, who can rejoice in them?
The Buddha attained the vajra-body.
Still, it becomes inconstant and ruined.
The many Buddhas are vajra-entities.
All are also subject to inconstancy.
Quickly ended, like melting snow --
how could things be different?
The Buddha passed into parinirvāṇa afterward.
(T1.27b10 Mahāparinirvāṇasūtra DĀ 2)
These bodies are like foam.
Them being frail, who can rejoice in them?
The Buddha attained the vajra-body.
Still, it becomes inconstant and ruined.
The many Buddhas are vajra-entities.
All are also subject to inconstancy.
Quickly ended, like melting snow --
how could things be different?
The Buddha passed into parinirvāṇa afterward.
(T1.27b10 Mahāparinirvāṇasūtra DĀ 2)
Re: What does it mean, "All other Buddhas are followers of Shakyamuni Buddha?
Not related to the sutra as such, but interestingly Nikko used the honorific "Buddha" for Nichiren in some of the gohonzon he inscribed- but he also used quite a few different terms connoting other forms of respect, as did other followers who inscribed gohonzon. There is a particular calculus that the chief disciples used for naming Nichiren on the gohonzon as they started inscribing their own- involving the transition of his signature as author to his status as an element of design. In any case not all the chief disciples followed the same formula. Apparently, gohonzon design methods underwent considerable change and formalization after Nichiren died. There is a lot of variation in style seen between Nichiren inscribed vs disciple inscribed gohonzon- the prinicipal elements are consistent but many "B and C list" venerables are present or omitted, often depending upon the size of the ghonzon but seemingly sometimes also not. NIchiren's sigil tends to remain present.
Re: What does it mean, "All other Buddhas are followers of Shakyamuni Buddha?
Can you elaborate on this?
There is no suffering to be severed. Ignorance and klesas are indivisible from bodhi. There is no cause of suffering to be abandoned. Since extremes and the false are the Middle and genuine, there is no path to be practiced. Samsara is nirvana. No severance achieved. No suffering nor its cause. No path, no end. There is no transcendent realm; there is only the one true aspect. There is nothing separate from the true aspect.
-Guanding, Perfect and Sudden Contemplation,
-Guanding, Perfect and Sudden Contemplation,
Re: What does it mean, "All other Buddhas are followers of Shakyamuni Buddha?
Will-do once I get home and can cite more exhaustively. As per the mandala workshop sections on the chief disciples, on the gohonzon Nikko inscribed, he used a number of different honorifics for Nichiren, a few being "Buddha". I am citing the translation, I cannot read Japanese- they show the Japanese character along with the corresponding english so I cannot make further distinctions. I would be happy to photograph the citation and post that.