Shakabuku Woes

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Malcolm
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Re: Shakabuku Woes

Post by Malcolm » Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:12 pm

Minobu wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:10 pm
those are not the same as using the word slogan in your context to describe Tien Tai's doctrine of Ichinen Sanzen and to do so is rude and boorish
Not my intent to offend, sorry if you took offense.

We also have another slogan, from Santideva, "Treat the angry one like a king, the desirous one like a child."
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Re: Shakabuku Woes

Post by Minobu » Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:14 pm

Norwegian wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:08 pm
Perhaps Minobu will find this interesting:
Pema Chödrön’s commentary on Atisha’s famed mind-training slogans that utilize our difficulties and problems to awaken the heart.
https://www.lionsroar.com/dont-give-up/
is there something wrong with you?
those are slogans used in describing mind training.

Nowhere does he use the word slogan to DIRECTLY define a Doctrine of a Buddha Master...

on your bike...ppphhhhtttt!

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Re: Shakabuku Woes

Post by Minobu » Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:16 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:12 pm
Minobu wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:10 pm
those are not the same as using the word slogan in your context to describe Tien Tai's doctrine of Ichinen Sanzen and to do so is rude and boorish
Not my intent to offend, sorry if you took offense.

We also have another slogan, from Santideva, "Treat the angry one like a king, the desirous one like a child."
Again a slogan..Malcolm did you know you were offending? did you do it for an ulterior motive of hurt?
it comes off like that..

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Re: Shakabuku Woes

Post by Queequeg » Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:17 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2017 6:57 pm
Queequeg wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2017 6:55 pm
Come now, Malcolm. No need to get all personal. Who's emotional? Do you really think I'm worked up about this? I just told a joke to leaven the mood.

well, it was like pulling teeth for you to admit that the slogan, ichinen zanzen, cannot be taken at face value. If it is read literally, it really does not transcend cittamatra.
Well, actually...

viewtopic.php?f=59&t=26934&start=60#p416609

Hence the joke about the chocolate ice cream.
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Re: Shakabuku Woes

Post by Queequeg » Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:19 pm

Minobu, Malcolm, et al.
“Once you have given up the ghost, everything follows with dead certainty, even in the midst of chaos.”
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"Language is the liquid that we're all dissolved in.
Great for solving problems, after it creates the problems."
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