Politics and Toxicity

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Re: Politics and Toxicity

Post by kirtu » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:44 pm

Queequeg wrote:
Tue Sep 25, 2018 3:01 pm
Actually, one reason I practice Buddhism, and Nichiren in particular, is because it is consciously a generational project to bring about awakening for all beings. Practice for oneself and for others. I am taught and I find compelling that by awakening to, mine and everyone's Buddha nature and causing others to know of Buddha nature, their own and that of all beings, things will tend to shake out for the better.
Absolutely correct. :anjali:

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Re: Politics and Toxicity

Post by 如傑優婆塞 » Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:48 pm

I wonder what Nichiren has to say on this topic? Anyone? And which writing is it in?

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Re: Politics and Toxicity

Post by Queequeg » Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:59 pm

如傑優婆塞 wrote:
Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:48 pm
I wonder what Nichiren has to say on this topic? Anyone? And which writing is it in?
Nichiren was quite concerned with domestic strife and civil war which he attributed to disregard and slander of Saddharma. He discussed this frequently, most prominently in Rissho Ankoku Ron - On securing the peace of the nation through the rectification of the correct dharma (or something along those lines). He urged that harmony and tranquility would be established when the people embraced the Saddharma. Based on Tientai, Nichiren asserted that the Saddharma was embodied as the Lotus Sutra, especially its title, the Daimoku, Myohorengekyo.
Those who, even with distracted minds,
Entered a stupa compound
And chanted but once, “Namo Buddhaya!”
Have certainly attained the path of the buddhas.

-Lotus Sutra, Expedient Means Chapter

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Re: Politics and Toxicity

Post by boda » Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:47 am

Queequeg wrote:
Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:42 pm
boda wrote:
Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:08 pm
Queequeg wrote:
Tue Sep 25, 2018 9:15 pm


Are we all participating in the toxic political culture?
Do the people you're calling stupid support the same policies and have the same or similar values and political views that you do?
Yeah, you put the horse before the cart. Some do, some don't. Stupidity is non-partisan as far as I can tell so far.
So there are people who support the same policies and have the same or similar values and political views that you do, and they're idiots? Hmm...

... I better just finish the popcorn. :popcorn:

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Re: Politics and Toxicity

Post by markatex » Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:52 am

Something that infuriates me is the idea some people have that Buddhists shouldn’t care about or be involved in politics. It strikes me as a Hinayana view (in the worst sense of the word). Nichiren certainly cared.

On the other hand, self-care is a necessity. I try not to read or listen to things that serve no purpose other than to make me mad or encourage my tendency to believe that most people are very, very stupid.

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Re: Politics and Toxicity

Post by Fortyeightvows » Wed Sep 26, 2018 6:37 am

Saving the world :toilet:

Saving people from the world :thumbsup:

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Re: Politics and Toxicity

Post by amanitamusc » Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:33 am

Fortyeightvows wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 6:37 am
Saving the world :toilet:

Saving people from the world :thumbsup:
Define world.

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Re: Politics and Toxicity

Post by Simon E. » Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:29 pm

markatex wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:52 am
Something that infuriates me is the idea some people have that Buddhists shouldn’t care about or be involved in politics. It strikes me as a Hinayana view (in the worst sense of the word). Nichiren certainly cared.

On the other hand, self-care is a necessity. I try not to read or listen to things that serve no purpose other than to make me mad or encourage my tendency to believe that most people are very, very stupid.
And you find that believing that most people are very very stupid is compatible with generating Bodhicitta?
Gone fishin' :smile:

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Re: Politics and Toxicity

Post by amanitamusc » Wed Sep 26, 2018 1:14 pm

markatex wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:52 am
Something that infuriates me is the idea some people have that Buddhists shouldn’t care about or be involved in politics. It strikes me as a Hinayana view (in the worst sense of the word). Nichiren certainly cared.

On the other hand, self-care is a necessity. I try not to read or listen to things that serve no purpose other than to make me mad or encourage my tendency to believe that most people are very, very stupid.
You lack equanimity ?

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Re: Politics and Toxicity

Post by DGA » Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:35 pm

Simon E. wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:29 pm
markatex wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:52 am
Something that infuriates me is the idea some people have that Buddhists shouldn’t care about or be involved in politics. It strikes me as a Hinayana view (in the worst sense of the word). Nichiren certainly cared.

On the other hand, self-care is a necessity. I try not to read or listen to things that serve no purpose other than to make me mad or encourage my tendency to believe that most people are very, very stupid.
And you find that believing that most people are very very stupid is compatible with generating Bodhicitta?
I think Mark is saying the opposite. He's trying to persist in Dharma practice, and for him that means avoiding certain stimuli that are afflicted in particular ways.

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Re: Politics and Toxicity

Post by Queequeg » Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:35 pm

boda wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:47 am

So there are people who support the same policies and have the same or similar values and political views that you do, and they're idiots? Hmm...

... I better just finish the popcorn. :popcorn:
Your sloppy reasoning explains much.

You can bleed on me. I'll be your straw man.
Those who, even with distracted minds,
Entered a stupa compound
And chanted but once, “Namo Buddhaya!”
Have certainly attained the path of the buddhas.

-Lotus Sutra, Expedient Means Chapter

I think each human being has things to find out in his own life that are inescapable. They’ll find them out the easy way or the hard way, or whatever.
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Re: Politics and Toxicity

Post by Queequeg » Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:40 pm

Simon E. wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:29 pm
And you find that believing that most people are very very stupid is compatible with generating Bodhicitta?
Sizing someone's intelligence up doesn't preclude generating a desire for awakening. Concluding a person lacks the ability to reason and translate thought into action does not preclude generating concern for them.

You mistake idealizing a person with being concerned for their well being.
Those who, even with distracted minds,
Entered a stupa compound
And chanted but once, “Namo Buddhaya!”
Have certainly attained the path of the buddhas.

-Lotus Sutra, Expedient Means Chapter

I think each human being has things to find out in his own life that are inescapable. They’ll find them out the easy way or the hard way, or whatever.
-Jerry Garcia

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Re: Politics and Toxicity

Post by Queequeg » Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:42 pm

Fortyeightvows wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 6:37 am
Saving the world :toilet:

Saving people from the world :thumbsup:
People are the world. One and the same. Conceiving they are different is error.
Those who, even with distracted minds,
Entered a stupa compound
And chanted but once, “Namo Buddhaya!”
Have certainly attained the path of the buddhas.

-Lotus Sutra, Expedient Means Chapter

I think each human being has things to find out in his own life that are inescapable. They’ll find them out the easy way or the hard way, or whatever.
-Jerry Garcia

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Re: Politics and Toxicity

Post by amanitamusc » Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:21 pm

amanitamusc wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 1:14 pm
markatex wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:52 am
Something that infuriates me is the idea some people have that Buddhists shouldn’t care about or be involved in politics. It strikes me as a Hinayana view (in the worst sense of the word). Nichiren certainly cared.

On the other hand, self-care is a necessity. I try not to read or listen to things that serve no purpose other than to make me mad or encourage my tendency to believe that most people are very, very stupid.
You lack equanimity ?
You didn't say anythin about my ?Matt. What am i chopped liva? :tongue:

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Re: Politics and Toxicity

Post by Queequeg » Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:34 pm

amanitamusc wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:21 pm
You didn't say anythin about my ?Matt. What am i chopped liva? :tongue:
I love you, brother. You know I have a soft spot for the wise guys on the board. The question wasn't addressed to me.

Does Mark lack equanimity? :shrug: What I know of him, I'd say he's pretty good at taking it as it comes.
Those who, even with distracted minds,
Entered a stupa compound
And chanted but once, “Namo Buddhaya!”
Have certainly attained the path of the buddhas.

-Lotus Sutra, Expedient Means Chapter

I think each human being has things to find out in his own life that are inescapable. They’ll find them out the easy way or the hard way, or whatever.
-Jerry Garcia

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Re: Politics and Toxicity

Post by amanitamusc » Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:47 pm

Queequeg wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:34 pm
amanitamusc wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:21 pm
You didn't say anythin about my ?Matt. What am i chopped liva? :tongue:
I love you, brother. You know I have a soft spot for the wise guys on the board. The question wasn't addressed to me.

Does Mark lack equanimity? :shrug: What I know of him, I'd say he's pretty good at taking it as it comes.
Right back at you Matt!
I don't know Mark but from reading his posts he seems a very serious practitioner.
I just never saw a post quite like that from him.
These days are full of surprises.

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Re: Politics and Toxicity

Post by Simon E. » Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:19 pm

Queequeg wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:40 pm
Simon E. wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:29 pm
And you find that believing that most people are very very stupid is compatible with generating Bodhicitta?
Sizing someone's intelligence up doesn't preclude generating a desire for awakening. Concluding a person lacks the ability to reason and translate thought into action does not preclude generating concern for them.

You mistake idealizing a person with being concerned for their well being.
Point taken.
Gone fishin' :smile:

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Re: Politics and Toxicity

Post by Monlam Tharchin » Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:42 pm

Queequeg wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:42 pm
Fortyeightvows wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 6:37 am
Saving the world :toilet:

Saving people from the world :thumbsup:
People are the world. One and the same. Conceiving they are different is error.
Fortyeight may have been saying that what is precious is sentient beings and their potential.
But this realm is where beings dwell and these are the terms they use and understand so :shrug:
You can't abandon realms without abandoning beings.
DGA wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:35 pm
Simon E. wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:29 pm
markatex wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:52 am
Something that infuriates me is the idea some people have that Buddhists shouldn’t care about or be involved in politics. It strikes me as a Hinayana view (in the worst sense of the word). Nichiren certainly cared.

On the other hand, self-care is a necessity. I try not to read or listen to things that serve no purpose other than to make me mad or encourage my tendency to believe that most people are very, very stupid.
And you find that believing that most people are very very stupid is compatible with generating Bodhicitta?
I think Mark is saying the opposite. He's trying to persist in Dharma practice, and for him that means avoiding certain stimuli that are afflicted in particular ways.
I got the same vibe.
When I start thinking someone seems hateful or stupid, that's a good time to renew my vows.
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Re: Politics and Toxicity

Post by Crazywisdom » Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:43 pm

You miss nothing by avoiding news.
She glares menacingly at your corpse.

The criticisms of others are like wrathful mantras. Fast purification. Welcome it. -can’t remember who

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Re: Politics and Toxicity

Post by markatex » Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:51 pm

Crazywisdom wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:43 pm
You miss nothing by avoiding news.

That’s ridiculous and, to be clear, that’s not what I meant either (DGA got it right). Nichiren Buddhism is not about disengaging from the world and going off by yourself to meditate in a cave.

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