How do we deal with desires?

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How do we deal with desires?

Post by bcol01 » Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:06 pm

And, how do we know which desires are ok?

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Re: How do we deal with desires?

Post by Queequeg » Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:12 pm

What do you want to do with them?

It might help for you to understand why raga (sometimes translated as "desires") are problematic in Buddhist teachings.
Those who, even with distracted minds,
Entered a stupa compound
And chanted but once, “Namo Buddhaya!”
Have certainly attained the path of the buddhas.

-Lotus Sutra, Expedient Means Chapter

There are beings with little dust in their eyes who are falling away because they do not hear the Dhamma. There will be those who will understand the Dhamma.
-Ayacana Sutta

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Re: How do we deal with desires?

Post by Miroku » Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:23 pm

Yup, as Q said. Garchen Rinpoche said it is good to study to understand where negative emotions lead so we can easily renounce them. For example anger appears but we know that it is like a wild fire really with no benefit so we renounce it, or transform it or liberate it (depends on our capacity and instructions from guru) and thats how we go. With desire it can be the same. But also don't fall into an "ascetic" trap. Life has both good and bad. Deal with it. It is okay to enjoy the good. And how to know? Well desire to do good is good and to do bad is bad for starters. :tongue:
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Re: How do we deal with desires?

Post by Admin_PC » Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:17 pm

From a Pure Land standpoint, in terms of the 3 minds of entrusting:
1. Genuine Mind - we must be honest with ourselves in regards to our desires, seeing those desires for what they are, and honestly assess our abilities to cope with/manage them.
2. Profound Mind - this is realizing our limitations. Recognizing that some desires (actually all 3 poisons) we're just not well-equipped to deny them completely. We call this "realizing our bonbu nature" - the fact that we are foolish beings. We also realize that entrusting in the 18th vow is a way of escaping the painful cycle created by this foolishness.
3. The Mind that Dedicates Merits - this is our vow to be reborn in the Pure Land. We dedicate any meager positive potential we have generated towards birth in the Pure Land for ourselves and all other beings.

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Re: How do we deal with desires?

Post by Motova » Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:47 pm

bcol01 wrote:
Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:06 pm
And, how do we know which desires are ok?
Anything but the desire for Buddhahood or liberation is a cause for suffering.

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Re: How do we deal with desires?

Post by PadmaVonSamba » Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:10 pm

are you attached to desires or not attached?

Desire is unavoidable. You desire to be healthy. You desire to eat food. You desire to go to sleep. You desire to poop.
Suffering isn't the result of desire per se.
Suffering results from thinking that the things we desire, which are all temporary, all made of temporarily arising composites,
will bring perfect peace of mind, perfect happiness.

For example, if you are hungry, you desire food. So, eat food.
If you realize that the satisfaction from eating the food is only temporary, and that tomorrow you will be hungry again,
then the food you eat today won't cause suffering (unless it is poison or rotten or moldy).

However, if you were to think, "After I eat this delicious meal, this huge banquet, this expensive food,I will never be hungry again"
Then, you are having some attachment to the food, thinking it will bring you lasting happiness.
Then, tomorrow you will be suffering from your hunger,
suffering because you thought this wonderful meal you had yesterday would forever satisfy you.


Most people know that being satisfied after a meal is only temporary.
This is a metaphor.
How often do people think, "If I just had that job promotion, that big house, that new car, that person for my partner, I will be happy!"

They don't realize that external things are always changing. As soon as the conditions of those things changes,
they will no longer produce the causes for happiness. That big new car will start to need a lot of expensive repairs some day.
That house will fall down. That person you love will die.

But what is the source of perfect peace of mind, perfect freedom from suffering that results from clinging to things that disappear?
It's the mind's original awareness, "Buddha Nature"
Which is why we take refuge in that.
There's nothing in that to desire, because you already have it.
It never diminishes (and if awareness did go away, you'd never be aware of it!)

As long as you can distinguish temporary phenomena from your own awareness,
see that temporary things are temporary and only bring temporary satisfaction,
you won't be attached to them.
You won't be attached to the things you desire,
and you won't be attached to the desires themselves.
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Re: How do we deal with desires?

Post by Admin_PC » Wed Jun 19, 2019 3:28 pm

Lots of answers in this thread that have nothing to do with Pure Land Buddhism; which isn't about seeing all desires as problematic, giving up all desires that aren't the desire for Buddhahood, or taking refuge in Buddha Nature.

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Re: How do we deal with desires?

Post by kalden yungdrung » Wed Jun 19, 2019 5:40 pm

Miroku wrote:
Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:23 pm
Yup, as Q said. Garchen Rinpoche said it is good to study to understand where negative emotions lead so we can easily renounce them. For example anger appears but we know that it is like a wild fire really with no benefit so we renounce it, or transform it or liberate it (depends on our capacity and instructions from guru) and thats how we go. With desire it can be the same. But also don't fall into an "ascetic" trap. Life has both good and bad. Deal with it. It is okay to enjoy the good. And how to know? Well desire to do good is good and to do bad is bad for starters. :tongue:
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Well said !
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Re: How do we deal with desires?

Post by Miroku » Wed Jun 19, 2019 5:43 pm

Admin_PC wrote:
Wed Jun 19, 2019 3:28 pm
Lots of answers in this thread that have nothing to do with Pure Land Buddhism; which isn't about seeing all desires as problematic, giving up all desires that aren't the desire for Buddhahood, or taking refuge in Buddha Nature.
Oh sorry I didn't notice it is in Pure Land forum since the question was asked so generally :emb: .
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Re: How do we deal with desires?

Post by Queequeg » Wed Jun 19, 2019 6:03 pm

Admin_PC wrote:
Wed Jun 19, 2019 3:28 pm
Lots of answers in this thread that have nothing to do with Pure Land Buddhism; which isn't about seeing all desires as problematic, giving up all desires that aren't the desire for Buddhahood, or taking refuge in Buddha Nature.
But, if desires weren't problematic to begin with, there wouldn't be any need to be concerned with them at all... But from what you posted above, they evince a concern about them.

AFAIK, Pure Land still takes account of the Buddhist analysis of desire as problematic because of its function in the cycle of birth and death... how the problem is addressed may be unique.
Those who, even with distracted minds,
Entered a stupa compound
And chanted but once, “Namo Buddhaya!”
Have certainly attained the path of the buddhas.

-Lotus Sutra, Expedient Means Chapter

There are beings with little dust in their eyes who are falling away because they do not hear the Dhamma. There will be those who will understand the Dhamma.
-Ayacana Sutta

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Re: How do we deal with desires?

Post by Admin_PC » Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:15 pm

Pure Land does require a belief in cause and effect, a rudimentary understanding of the three poisons, as well as a certain amount of disdain for the rounds of suffering. It does not; however, require one to view one's desires as problematic such that one changes one's behavior (in a vain attempt at curtailing them).

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Re: How do we deal with desires?

Post by Admin_PC » Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:56 pm

Apparently a lot of people are having trouble understanding the fact that this question was raised in the Pure Land subforum and the appropriate answers are from the Pure Land point of view. OP (bcol01) and others - feel free to pm me if you have anything PERTINENT (ie Pure Land-related) to add to this discussion.

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