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Posted: **Tue Dec 20, 2011 12:35 pm**

Adamantine wrote:Hey greg, admiring a girl and wanting to spend time with her = objectifying male gaze? I don't think you'll find many girls who would agree with this PC nonsense.

What is it about the girl in the picture that you admire? Her charming wit? Her personality? Her intelligence and logic? Her emotional capacity? Her loving kindness?

Let me guess... Her ass! Got it!

If you believe that women dig your neanderthal, overstestosteroned garbage, if you believe that women do not want to be respected as holistic entities but just for the firmness of their posterior, or the size of their breasts, well my friend then take up your club and happy hunting.

I mean, unless you have totally transcended subject-object duality -----> anything you perceive as an object = objectifying gaze... so women then are equally guilty of objectifying men the moment they set their eyes on them. . Are we all supposed to keep our eyes closed?

What's this? Buddhist logic to justify your uncontrolled sensual desire?

C'mon Adamantine you can do better then that!

Posted: **Tue Dec 20, 2011 12:47 pm**

gregkavarnos wrote:
Adamantine wrote:Hey greg, admiring a girl and wanting to spend time with her = objectifying male gaze? I don't think you'll find many girls who would agree with this PC nonsense.
What is it about the girl in the picture that you admire? Her charming wit? Her personality? Her intelligence and logic? Her emotional capacity? Her loving kindness?

Let me guess... Her ass! Got it!

Actually, I only posted a pic for fun, in good humor as an offering to the OP who seemed to be longing for some dakinis to hang with, here or in purelands to come.

From the image, she has a nice smile, a beautiful face, and a fit figure. I could admire her form if I was a man or a woman, and either way there'd be nothing wrong, or un-Buddhist, about it. But more importantly, she had the good humor to pose as if her hands are beaming rainbow-light. It's a nice image illustrative of how one may imagine pureland dakinis, from our world''s imprints...

In the photo, if you'd looked (clearly you didn't, since you close your eyes before any attractive ladies manifest apparently-- lest you objectify them with your gaze) you can't see the girls bottom (I won't lower myself to your objectifying crass and offensive male language).

Posted: **Tue Dec 20, 2011 12:53 pm**

gregkavarnos wrote: If you believe that women dig your neanderthal, overstestosteroned garbage, if you believe that women do not want to be respected as holistic entities but just for the firmness of their posterior, or the size of their breasts, well my friend then take up your club and happy hunting.

There's not one woman I know who doesn't want their beauty to be admired. As for the other gibberish about firmness, size, or whatever, I never spoke a word about any of that so stop projecting. I am guessing you must be a very frustrated man!

Posted: **Tue Dec 20, 2011 3:22 pm**

Yeah Gregg, I'm the transform desire into wisdom kinda of person. Unless you've taken celibacy wows there's nothing un-buddhist about having sex. Anyway this thread was meant to be in good humour. The core question was geniune though.

Posted: **Tue Dec 20, 2011 3:36 pm**

gregkavarnos wrote:
AlexanderS wrote:Anyway, I was just curious, it was meant as a tounge in cheek question. Although I really am curious. I suppose it wouldn't matter at that point, but a few fit birds wouldn't hurt.
You make all that effort to get to Dewachen and the only thing that concerns you is the possibility that, maybe, when you get there you won't be able to get laid???

Posted: **Tue Dec 20, 2011 3:38 pm**

Adamantine wrote:I am guessing you must be a very frustrated man!

Now who's projecting?

AlexanderS wrote:Unless you've taken celibacy wows there's nothing un-buddhist about having sex.

I never said there was anything wrong with having sex, check out my earlier post.

Now for some questions:
Which of the following are NOT dakini?

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Posted: **Tue Dec 20, 2011 3:54 pm**

Posted: **Tue Dec 20, 2011 4:21 pm**

gregkavarnos wrote:
Adamantine wrote:I am guessing you must be a very frustrated man!
Now who's projecting?
AlexanderS wrote:Unless you've taken celibacy wows there's nothing un-buddhist about having sex.
I never said there was anything wrong with having sex, check out my earlier post.

Now for some questions:
Which of the following are NOT dakini?
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It's a trap, I won't bite

Posted: **Tue Dec 20, 2011 6:23 pm**

Funnily enough you laid the trap via your narrow definition of what the positive characteristics and attributes of a woman are. The feminine wisdom element of the dakini is to be found in ALL female forms.

Then the Lord paid homage with the five mandalas to the Lady (Vajrayogini) and said:
How, my dear, must your form be known by the yogi?
Then the Lady said:
Wherever in the Three Worlds a womanly form is seen, that is said to be my form, whether she belong to a low family or not low...
Mother, sister, wife, maternal aunt, niece, paternal aunt, mother in law, and all other caste relations...
Each in her own form is resolute in benefitting all living beings. Whomever among them are encountered, they are honoured by the yogis, kissing, embracing and joining the Vajra and Lotus.
When those women are honoured they give Success instantly to those who desire the welfare of all beings. Therefore one should honour women.
Women are heaven; women are Dharma; and women are the highest penance. Women are Buddha; women are the Sangha; and women are the Perfection of Wisdom...
By this man I am worshipped and satisfied, and to him I will give Success. I am none other than the bodies of all women.

Candamaharosana Tantra http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9844773/The%20C ... Tantra.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Posted: **Tue Dec 20, 2011 7:44 pm**

gregkavarnos wrote: but just for the firmness of their posterior, or the size of their breasts,

They're out there.

Posted: **Tue Dec 20, 2011 8:07 pm**

Tell me something I don't know!

Posted: **Tue Dec 20, 2011 9:52 pm**

gregkavarnos wrote:Funnily enough you laid the trap via your narrow definition of what the positive characteristics and attributes of a woman are. The feminine wisdom element of the dakini is to be found in ALL female forms.

Nevertheless, the definition of the ideal woman partner, laid out in countless tantras, is the padmini i.e. prominent, large breasts, narrow waist, etc., i.e., completely sexist.

N

Posted: **Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:09 pm**

Posted: **Tue Dec 20, 2011 11:09 pm**

Namdrol wrote:
gregkavarnos wrote:Funnily enough you laid the trap via your narrow definition of what the positive characteristics and attributes of a woman are. The feminine wisdom element of the dakini is to be found in ALL female forms.

Nevertheless, the definition of the ideal woman partner, laid out in countless tantras, is the padmini i.e. prominent, large breasts, narrow waist, etc., i.e., completely sexist.

N

So a waif like Kate Moss is totally off-base from the Tantric ideal then, huh?

Posted: **Tue Dec 20, 2011 11:27 pm**

gregkavarnos wrote:
Then the Lord paid homage with the five mandalas to the Lady (Vajrayogini) and said:
How, my dear, must your form be known by the yogi?
Then the Lady said:
Wherever in the Three Worlds a womanly form is seen, that is said to be my form, whether she belong to a low family or not low...
Mother, sister, wife, maternal aunt, niece, paternal aunt, mother in law, and all other caste relations...
Each in her own form is resolute in benefitting all living beings. Whomever among them are encountered, they are honoured by the yogis, kissing, embracing and joining the Vajra and Lotus.
When those women are honoured they give Success instantly to those who desire the welfare of all beings. Therefore one should honour women.
Women are heaven; women are Dharma; and women are the highest penance. Women are Buddha; women are the Sangha; and women are the Perfection of Wisdom...
By this man I am worshipped and satisfied, and to him I will give Success. I am none other than the bodies of all women.
Candamaharosana Tantra http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9844773/The%20C ... Tantra.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Posted: **Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:02 am**

gregkavarnos wrote:I never said there was anything wrong with having sex, check out my earlier post.

Now for some questions:
Which of the following are NOT dakini?

Heterosexual yogis have it so easy ....

Kirt

Posted: **Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:16 am**

Namdrol wrote: Nevertheless, the definition of the ideal woman partner, laid out in countless tantras, is the padmini i.e. prominent, large breasts, narrow waist, etc., i.e., completely sexist.

N

i.e. Dolly Parton.....

Posted: **Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:48 am**

simhanada wrote:
Namdrol wrote: Nevertheless, the definition of the ideal woman partner, laid out in countless tantras, is the padmini i.e. prominent, large breasts, narrow waist, etc., i.e., completely sexist.

N
i.e. Dolly Parton.....

I think this is more what they had in mine:

Posted: **Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:00 am**

Namdrol wrote:
simhanada wrote:
Namdrol wrote: Nevertheless, the definition of the ideal woman partner, laid out in countless tantras, is the padmini i.e. prominent, large breasts, narrow waist, etc., i.e., completely sexist.

N
i.e. Dolly Parton.....

I think this is more what they had in mine:

Seems like the Indian ideal hasn't changed much over the centuries, judging from contemporary Bollywood stars:

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