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Re: Race in America

Post by Malcolm » Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:37 pm

Minobu wrote:
Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:36 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:09 pm
Minobu wrote:
Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:02 pm

True...but the French and English had to get along after the war...
It is news to me that the Anglophones in Canada get along with the Francophones. You know, I have read Anne of Green Gables. It's pretty racist about the French.
so your basing the relationship on anne of green gables.
gee not much i can say to back up the fact that we do get along...
and we don't get along...
but the higher educated on both sides...do get along..
but hey you read anne of green gables...so what can i say.
I also know Canadian Francophones and Anglophones who really don't have nice things to say about each other.
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Re: Race in America

Post by Minobu » Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:41 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:11 pm
Minobu wrote:
Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:08 pm
Also it is worth noting our relationship with the founding native nations...we never massacred them or went in to indian wars with American heroes like general custer...

Dude, you really need to study the history of First Nations relationship with the Canadian Gvt. You people were brutal to first nations, every bit as bad as the US.
yeah like when they joined us in the war of 1812 and turned the tide..
we did not massacre them back then ..true some in power screwed them over from to time.....but the majority of times we do try and reconcile our relationship...

but nothing like the Indian wars of the USofA...
try as you must ..maybe there is a mention of it in anne of green gables...

just curious can you show me the racism between the french and english in gables...lol.

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Re: Race in America

Post by Minobu » Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:45 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:37 pm
Minobu wrote:
Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:36 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:09 pm


It is news to me that the Anglophones in Canada get along with the Francophones. You know, I have read Anne of Green Gables. It's pretty racist about the French.
so your basing the relationship on anne of green gables.
gee not much i can say to back up the fact that we do get along...
and we don't get along...
but the higher educated on both sides...do get along..
but hey you read anne of green gables...so what can i say.
I also know Canadian Francophones and Anglophones who really don't have nice things to say about each other.
yeah well you are sounding desperate to prove something here...we all know French and English were at war with one another...my father's friend Rene Levesque even formed a party that somewhat used hatred as a platform...the party quebecois.

And yet they were able to discuss it as the party was being formed..
Maybe you just do not get it Malcolm...and you are trying to force your triangle american racism into a Canadian square hole.

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Re: Race in America

Post by Minobu » Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:48 pm

think about that...An Italian Irish Canuck ..discussing the PQ's demands and platform over lobster lunches in Rene's girlfriend's apartment in Ville St Laurent....and good friends all along...
lol...

side note...Rene turned to me ole man and pointed to a guy and said "If you think i'm radical ,I feel sorry for you guys if this guy gets into power" pointing to jacques parizeau.

who got drunk the night of the referendum and ruined his career with blaming it on the ethnic vote and money(Jews)

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Re: Race in America

Post by The Cicada » Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:59 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:04 pm
Trump is appealing to racist white people, that's about it, apart from some self-hating blacks and latinos.
Absolutely not. That is a complete falsehood that no one could believe, ever, anywhere at any time. Trump supporters are the last, best hope of Earth—second only to 45th President of the United States of America, Donald J Trump, of course.

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Re: Race in America

Post by The Cicada » Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:08 pm

Minobu wrote:
Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:36 pm
It's weird but 98% of people who talk of Trump in Canada say he is racist.
they talk of all the former kkk and white supremacist people he gave postion of power to ..
My black gay Canadian activist musician friend says he keeps being threatened by Muslims for being gay and by the government for speaking out against the abuse he suffers. I told him he should come to the States and buy some guns. The gods haven't abandoned the Republic just yet. Libertas still stands over us, and a true protector of the nation is still in office.

By our collective good karma, the Antifa communist riots failed. :twothumbsup:

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Re: Race in America

Post by Malcolm » Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:26 pm

Minobu wrote:
Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:45 pm

Maybe you just do not get it Malcolm...and you are trying to force your triangle american racism into a Canadian square hole.
Do you really need me to trot out the history of racism in Canada? It'll just spoil your day.
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Re: Race in America

Post by kirtu » Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:29 pm

Minobu wrote:
Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:41 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:11 pm
Also it is worth noting our relationship with the founding native nations...we never massacred them or went in to indian wars with American heroes like general custer...

Dude, you really need to study the history of First Nations relationship with the Canadian Gvt. You people were brutal to first nations, every bit as bad as the US.
The Canadians were bad and brutal but not genocidal like in the US.

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Re: Race in America

Post by Malcolm » Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:31 pm

kirtu wrote:
Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:29 pm

The Canadians were bad and brutal but not genocidal like in the US.

Kirt
No?

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/03/worl ... finds.html
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Re: Race in America

Post by Minobu » Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:53 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:26 pm
Minobu wrote:
Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:45 pm

Maybe you just do not get it Malcolm...and you are trying to force your triangle american racism into a Canadian square hole.
Do you really need me to trot out the history of racism in Canada? It'll just spoil your day.
go for it dude.
but keep in mind i never said there wasn't any...racism is everywhere.
it's just i see it that Canada has a culture that is in a far better position than America .

America's culture is war based , racist based as proven by the rise to power as the Trump Administration.

we can't light a candle to that

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Re: Race in America

Post by Minobu » Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:56 pm

kirtu wrote:
Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:29 pm
Minobu wrote:
Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:41 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:11 pm



Dude, you really need to study the history of First Nations relationship with the Canadian Gvt. You people were brutal to first nations, every bit as bad as the US.
The Canadians were bad and brutal but not genocidal like in the US.

Kirt
Minobu wrote:
Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:41 pm
i never wrote that!!!


but..we were genocidal in some respect towards the Native Nations .
The Catholic Church with provincial government consent allowed for residential schools.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/a-history ... a-1.702280


the post is messed up in quotes

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Re: Race in America

Post by Minobu » Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:59 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:31 pm
kirtu wrote:
Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:29 pm

The Canadians were bad and brutal but not genocidal like in the US.

Kirt
No?

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/03/worl ... finds.html

but..we were genocidal in some respect towards the Native Nations .
The Catholic Church with provincial government consent allowed for residential schools.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/a-history ... a-1.702280

EDIT
also the federal government played a huge part as well...
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Re: Race in America

Post by Minobu » Sun Nov 05, 2017 10:01 pm

you have to understand that once this became public knowledge we went beserk.
we are doing something about it.

to some and as I grew up watching american TV...General Custer was a hero..
i made a flag of the 7th calvary and played cowboys and indians as general custer...we thought it cool..
american propaganda through tv.

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Re: Race in America

Post by kirtu » Sun Nov 05, 2017 10:10 pm

Minobu wrote:
Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:59 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:31 pm
kirtu wrote:
Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:29 pm

The Canadians were bad and brutal but not genocidal like in the US.

Kirt
No?

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/03/worl ... finds.html
but..we were genocidal in some respect towards the Native Nations .
The Catholic Church with provincial government consent allowed for residential schools.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/a-history ... a-1.702280
Culturally genocidal - yes that is true (and we don't need a CBC or NYTs article to know that).

However the United States was physically, Holocaust scale genocidal and only stopped after the actions had been undertaken and then discussed in the press, provoking an outcry that put an end to the physical genocide.

Did Canada have a Wounded Knee or Sand Creek? The US had *MANY*.

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Re: Race in America

Post by Malcolm » Sun Nov 05, 2017 10:15 pm

kirtu wrote:
Sun Nov 05, 2017 10:10 pm
Minobu wrote:
Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:59 pm
but..we were genocidal in some respect towards the Native Nations .
The Catholic Church with provincial government consent allowed for residential schools.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/a-history ... a-1.702280
Culturally genocidal - yes that is true (and we don't need a CBC or NYTs article to know that).

However the United States was physically, Holocaust scale genocidal and only stopped after the actions had been undertaken and then discussed in the press, provoking an outcry that put an end to the physical genocide.

Did Canada have a Wounded Knee or Sand Creek? The US had *MANY*.

Kirt
Conflicts along the Okanagan Trail in 1858 in British Columbia were related to the Yakima War in Washington Territory
Fraser Canyon War (1858) – British Columbia (white irregulars in British territory against the Nlaka'pamux)
Lamalcha War (1863) — British Columbia (Royal Navy vs Lamalcha people
Chilcotin War (1864) — British Columbia (White workers against the Tsilhqot'in)
Fisherville War (1860s) — British Columbia
Tobacco Plains War (1860s) — British Columbia
Rossland War (1860s) — British Columbia
Red River Rebellion (1869) — Nord-Ouest/Rupert's Land
Wild Horse Creek War (1880s) — British Columbia (see Fort Steele)
North-West Rebellion (1885) — Saskatchewan Territory (Métis people against Canadian forces)
Poundmaker's War (1885) — Saskatchewan Territory (Canadian army against Cree warriors)
Battle of Cut Knife (1885) (Canadian army against Cree and Assiniboine warriors)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Indian_Wars

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oka_Crisis

https://www.aadnc-aandc.gc.ca/eng/13149 ... 4977321448

The principle reason Canada seems to be more gentle on First Nations was that many tribes sided with British during war 1812.
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Re: Race in America

Post by Minobu » Mon Nov 06, 2017 1:51 am

Malcolm wrote:
Sun Nov 05, 2017 10:15 pm


The principle reason Canada seems to be more gentle on First Nations was that many tribes sided with British during war 1812.
It's not that simple.
no one is saying we don't have our problems.
you just see them through the eyes of an american and don't really get us up here.

we do things differently..we are not americans..
i'm not anti american in saying this ...just saying.

you guys want to be the big stick worldwide...you make like if you don't spread your style of democracy the world will crumble into decay...
the crap you caused in Lebanon with Russian being the other side...you and Russia are the same coin..vying for a piece of the pie.

Britain had it's day and stopped ...america followed in on the opium trade with yankee traders and it was like wow we really got into this at the end of the game.

meh...

look at the recent terrorist thing...your hand is in it...Viet Nam...so many litle war and CIA medling...
we don;t do that...except maybe in anne of green gables...lol

anne of green gables. :jumping:

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Re: Race in America

Post by Minobu » Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:12 pm

rereading my posts show a very anti american approach to this.
I don't feel i am anti american but i am anti racism , killing in the name of empire building, destroying cultures in the name of empire building...all of which Canada has had it's hand in.
arguing over who is worse at this is just inane folly and misses the point of being a Buddhist.

desperately trying to show the other guy's faults instead of focusing on our own collective faults as a country is a lesson in futility and childishness.

you've been told Dave..by dave..

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Re: Race in America

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