Kalachakra 2012
Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 5:11 pm
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http://www.shangshunginstitute.net/webcast/index.php There doesn't seem to be a complete calender for it though. Here's a partial one: http://tinyurl.com/7pl4a6r" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;Dharma Atma wrote:I've been watching the webcast on-line. I liked it, 't was interesting
First in life I take part in webcasts. Do you know guys if some other teachers give such teachings? and where to know about the planned ones?
Thank you d'avance.
Thank you, I'll look 'em throughKonchog1 wrote:http://www.shangshunginstitute.net/webcast/index.php There doesn't seem to be a complete calender for it though. Here's a partial one: http://tinyurl.com/7pl4a6r" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
There is a thread about that here on Dharmawheel. Basically yes, but it differs from Lama to Lama.Dharma Atma wrote:Thank you, I'll look 'em throughKonchog1 wrote:http://www.shangshunginstitute.net/webcast/index.php There doesn't seem to be a complete calender for it though. Here's a partial one: http://tinyurl.com/7pl4a6r" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Webcasts may be very useful. But there are too many questions about them...
For ex, can one say that (s)he's got a Kalachakra initiation having watched the webcast?
Has this webcast initiation the same power as its original tête-à-tête form?
Because all phenomena, including sentient beings, arise in time. It's a container and what it contains thing. In other tantras that address this it's done in terms of space.Dharma Atma wrote:And one more question if you all don't mind.
Why (and what way) is Kalachakra connected with time? Kalachakra - a wheel of time, right?
That's not necessarily true. You can certainly receive Wang over webcast, at least according to many teachers. I don't think you could transmit a major tantra like the Kalachakra, Chakrasamvara, Hevajra, etc. via webcast, but I have received webcast empowerments before. And you can certainly transmit a Lung through it.conebeckham wrote:You cannot obtain Kalachakra Empowerment or Initiation by webcast. You can't obtain ANY full Empowerment via Webcast, though there are some sorts of transmissions that one can get, apparently.
Tsewong Rinpoche transmitted the Opening the Gate to Space Wang via webcast back in October, and will be doing it again in a month or two. It's through the School of Tibetan Healing Chöd.conebeckham wrote:Lungs, yes.
Full Wangkur via Internet?
I don't think so. Perhaps someone can confirm a specific instance where this has occurred, and we can discuss.
I'm wondering why you wouldn't be able to receive an empowerment by webcast? If you're listening and watching live and fully engaging in the empowerment process with a good motivation, why wouldn't you receive the empowerment? It's just like being physically present.conebeckham wrote:You cannot obtain Kalachakra Empowerment or Initiation by webcast. You can't obtain ANY full Empowerment via Webcast, though there are some sorts of transmissions that one can get, apparently.
I'd agree with that. I mean, with Kalachakra, many of the initiates are basically receiving it via webcast, with monitors, etc.conebeckham wrote:I don't have definitive answers-- but I think (though I could be wrong) that for certain Wangkurs, part of the process involves the Vajra Master actually having to "see" the initiatee....I'll leave out more detail, as not appropriate for public forum....though of course, in the case of Kalachakra or other Wangkurs where we're talking about multiple thousands of initiatees, perhaps it's not the case...
I do think certain transmissions can occur via webcast. But I also think some cannot.
Thank you, I've looked throughKonchog1 wrote:There is a thread about that here on Dharmawheel. Basically yes, but it differs from Lama to Lama.
Hmm... interesting information It explains many things. Thanks.kirtu wrote:Because all phenomena, including sentient beings, arise in time. It's a container and what it contains thing. In other tantras that address this it's done in terms of space.
Being "as if" present, is not the same as being physically present. I think one of arguments is, you can't take part in some ritual acts. For ex, in Kalachakra they use sticks for teeth-health (les cure-dents) during the rite, and a large sum... Maybe it's not enough just to be a witness of the Empowerment... imhoTsongkhapafan wrote:I'm wondering why you wouldn't be able to receive an empowerment by webcast? If you're listening and watching live and fully engaging in the empowerment process with a good motivation, why wouldn't you receive the empowerment? It's just like being physically present.
Well, does it mean that you wanna say that those teachers who give transmissions for example of Kalachakra through webcasts, they lie to their followers? When they organize the webcast, they must understand many people to have a lot of expectations and to surely be disappointed because of the "fake" initiation...conebeckham wrote:I do think certain transmissions can occur via webcast. But I also think some cannot.
What are you thinking of as existing beyond time and space? In the context of the Kalachakra system, the Kalachakra includes everything. Within tantra, it is it's own complete system.Dharma Atma wrote:Hmm... interesting information It explains many things. Thanks.kirtu wrote:Because all phenomena, including sentient beings, arise in time. It's a container and what it contains thing. In other tantras that address this it's done in terms of space.
But does it mean that Kalachakra has nothing to do with phenomena existing beyond time and space? That was one of my confusions when I asked the question about the connexion of Kalachakra with the time.
Several years ago, I was in Mirik, India, when HH Gyalwa Karmapa gave a Chenrezig empowerment to thousands of people. The inside of the monastery was full, the courtyard outside was packed, there were people shoulder-to-shoulder in the parking lots, etc. There were Giant Screen TV's and speakers, so that those outside the monastery could see and hear. I was outside, in the parking lot, and in the courtyard at times. Do I think the blessing was greater if one were sitting inside the monastery as opposed to standing in the parking lot? Not at all. But, quite frankly, when I compare this experience to that of spending many days in a row in a small room with a small group of practitioners I know and love, recieving some very precious transmissions, I cannot compare this to being in the courtyard, or inside the walls of the monastery--neither compares to my small group experience. But that is my experience. I cannot say, objectively, the latter experience was more "correct" based on my feelings alone. And I cannot validate or judge the experience of any other participant.Dharma Atma wrote:Well, does it mean that you wanna say that those teachers who give transmissions for example of Kalachakra through webcasts, they lie to their followers? When they organize the webcast, they must understand many people to have a lot of expectations and to surely be disappointed because of the "fake" initiation...conebeckham wrote:I do think certain transmissions can occur via webcast. But I also think some cannot.