Monlam Tharchin wrote: ↑
Tue Feb 20, 2018 4:06 pm
Dharma Flower wrote: ↑
Tue Feb 20, 2018 5:20 am
Learning the Ch'an/Zen understanding of Pure Land practice helped me to harmonize the Nembutsu with the Buddha's last words to be a lamp* unto yourself, seeking no external refuge.
fuki wrote: ↑
Mon Feb 19, 2018 5:54 pm
Sheng yen on (Chan) practise and faith;
Many people think that Chan practice depends solely on their own efforts
, requiring self-reliance, while those who practice by reciting the Buddha’s name depend solely on external help. Both of these views are incorrect.
http://chancenter.org/cmc/wp-content/up ... dFaith.pdf
Chan/Pure Land and Chinese Pure Land generally = self-power plus other-power. One's own efforts to the utmost plus Amitabha's vow power and merits.
Do you completely deny other-power, DF?
We could also ask ourselfs why make "internal" why make "external"? In our Practise there is neither, full attention leaves no room for a conceptual center. Like this everything is complete, reciting, bowing, zazen etc
Dharma Flower made several threads on zfi on this topic and I want to apologies for my bad conduct toward him, I might not agree with everything he says but I see my attitude towards him was arrogant and foolish and wrong. When we do not seperate between "self-power" and "other-power" "internal" and "external" there are neither extremes nor the middle way. Just stick to the method/non-method. When we make this and that, internal and external, all is wrong, or at least limited.
I'm reminded of Tokusan on that day (of his awakening) in front of the lecture hall, he burned to ashes his commentaries on the sutras and declared; "In comparison to this awareness, all the most profound teachings are like a single hair in vast space. However deep the complicated knowledge of the world, compared to this enlightenment, it is like one drop of water in the ocean." Then he left the monastery.