Yun Men Master, Guo Gu Roshi, a simple question:

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i would like to thank you all, thinking about this or taking it up shows a lot of care as to the words of old masters, like Yunmen, and a respect for Guo Gu Roshis bringing it up.
Is it really just an effort from master Yunmen to change the monks view as to the god like image of buddha? or to even , make a distinction between a everything is a buddha, and the teachings are the buddha..?
i am well aware that respected masters said that chewing on sayings, is like being doused by a bucket of puss...
so, why are they used?
why are they brought up, questioned and finally taken to the dokusan room, to answer this koan to the teacher?

so, im sorry, if one would be called to sanzen, with a roshi, would one say, ... buddha is a shitstick
?
buddha is a dry turd?
or, Yunmen is only liberating a monk from attachments?

well, im not sure those answers would suffice.
imo, if one does embody the buddha in action, he may just as well spill a few words that show it.
so, probably, Yunmen still remains a mystery, lol, just as 3 pounds of flax, but then, imo, thats just the way it is.
thank you again, friends, ..
hey, and finally,
maybe Guo Gu R could ask a few more questions as to show the direction this koan has,
that would be a present.
thnx!

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well, and good..ill repost from our brother site, mason:

then, a bit of inspiration comes, i will not say its good, but it is free to say, why not:

mason:
Originally there is not a single thing.
Just pure mind and pure things.
Pure mind and pure things are not things;
Pure mind is not mind.

The self has never been anything
But an arrow to be removed.
What arises are vexations,
Don't give rise.

The mind does not flow with things
Nor does it get stuck.
It sits in the middle, uncaring, unceasing,
A deathless peace for all to attain.

It is nothing special,
Nor is it everyday tea and meals.
The ordinary mind is deluded;
Original mind is truly ordinary.

Do not be a person, do not be a thing,
Just relax and trust your nature.
There is nothing to fear, just ghosts in the cave;
Here, birth has been conquered.


well, id add some, but this is good, b

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but, say, originally there is not a single thing..
ok, ye..lol
just pure mind and pure things...lol. ok


how many things, lol...

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It is nothing special,
Nor is it everyday tea and meals.
The ordinary mind is deluded;
Original mind is truly ordinary.
it is because it is nothing special that it is so special.
not only is it everyday tea and meals. it is also a piece of dried shit.
it is all things and yet no thing. dharmakaya.
the ordinary mind is deluded until it realizes that it is the true sight of enlightenment.
ordinary mind is the way. ordinary mind is enlightenment. not everyone sees this.
the original mind is truly ordinary because the original mind is the ordinary mind.

with or without experience of a self, the ordinary original mind has always been and
always will be the ordinary original mind. just so. stop speculating about it
and just see, hear, taste, touch and smell. if you understand this you understand.
that's all. if you don't understand this you don't understand. that's all. it doesn't matter
you are Bokki. that's what matters. the original, uncontrived, natural pure Bokki.
whether or not you see a self is not important. Bokki is Bokki.

rgds, Tom.
in any matters of importance. dont rely on me. i may not know what i am talking about. take what i say as mere speculation. i am not ordained. nor do i have a formal training. i do believe though that if i am wrong on any point. there are those on this site who i hope will quickly point out my mistakes.

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bokki wrote:
Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:33 pm
Yun Men Master, Guo Gu Roshi, a simple question:

a student of the way asked yunmen, “what is buddha?”
yunmen replied, “dried shitstick.”

what do you all think?
guo gu
from a brother site..

soo , would you say something, in reply, what do you think????
This dip-shit question the student is asking. He thinks he is clever and has found a way out of his shit-hole koan. He's still no closer to knowing what is Buddha. Yunmen is being a bastard, not giving an inch in reply. Maybe he's having a shitty day too.
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Erick, i like your resoning. Bu t to say Buddha is a shit stick sjit?
Ok, all know ,life aint prety. Bro, that is not any nearer to an answer. So
.
...
Lay it out..
Say it..
Or, else, its just another yunmen koan stupiditi,,,a foolish game

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bokki wrote:
Fri May 03, 2019 10:23 pm
Erick, i like your resoning. Bu t to say Buddha is a shit stick sjit?
Ok, all know ,life aint prety. Bro, that is not any nearer to an answer. So
.
...
Lay it out..
Say it..
Or, else, its just another yunmen koan stupiditi,,,a foolish game
oh i think for some of us a shit-stick penetrates to the truth better than the average stick, who is to blame?
(does that mean what is pointed with is as good as what is pointed at?)
I have no thoughts about yunmen, maybe he holds a grudge against hinayana monks
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bokki wrote:
Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:33 pm
Yun Men Master, Guo Gu Roshi, a simple question:

a student of the way asked yunmen, “what is buddha?”
yunmen replied, “dried shitstick.”

what do you all think?
guo gu
from a brother site..

soo , would you say something, in reply, what do you think????
Things come and go...
You make, you get.

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Dry shit-stick, the master's staff or the Buddha who is it that differentiates?

This, this, this, this.. and this.

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why is it that i say "Goo-goo" instead of Guo Gu Roshi ?

:spy:
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Ok ,lets close this, plz...il be banned again.mi dont mind...went to far,, i suppose

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Bcs u r a legit nice beautifull person? Ye, its hard, .but.. Doing good...goo goo..lol..but,truly..he is top..top..love you goo goo

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Keith! How nice to hear from you! Oh, old dof, imso plesed! Ok..you know..ill strexh it a bit..how many things come and go?

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i bow to you, in thanks to your answers, and hard work.
it is fruitful and inspiring.
so,

“A dry piece of shit.”...

ok, ok...so
will one of you
tell me
what is that
piece?

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.... a sinking ship

ha! you arrived just in time to witness the apparent sinking of the zen space ship.... and, here you are!

Koans don't have answers Bokki even tho they do. In the Beginning, they teach us about ourselves. Later, the zen heart. In a lucky life, impermanence is not a word.

Guo Go quotes Wumen's comment in his book, "Passing Through the Gateless Barrier":
.... In response, he took a shitstick and propped open the gate {of our school}....

Like a flash of lightening
or sparks struck from flint,
In the blink of an eye,
It is already gone
Guo Go goes on to say there is no cultural barrier, no need to explain translation. He says, "the core of the Chan tradition can be witnessed here"
Not last night,
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melon flowers bloomed.
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Like a flash of lightening
or sparks struck from flint,
In the blink of an eye,
It is already gone
On reflection, seeing kindness. In CA, we are facing the second power outage today to avoid forest fire. In 1930, the fire ripped down the Russian River to the ocean. We're on the way. The potential was avoided a few weeks ago in an active fire. There is the rabbit hole of cause and effect and there is this.
Not last night,
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melon flowers bloomed.
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Lindama wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:17 pm
ha! you arrived just in time to witness the apparent sinking of the zen space ship.... and, here you are!
Though the discussion of alien forums is not permitted here at DW, if this my post somehow stays, please note the following:

* Out of my own curiosity, I have reproduced a demo instance of the forum at the very same hosting firm, and have tested its functionality, and everything goes just right (linked from my sig). It means, the present owners of zenspace can fix their forum easily (wherein I myself have no inclination to participate, due to my disagreement with their policies).

* Having no idea about who, why, and in which manner exactly, compromised the hosting network -- presently, they seem to have been recovered from that failure.

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yes and yes....

Nice to see you El G
be well
linda
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not this morning,
melon flowers bloomed.
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Like a flash of lightening
or sparks struck from flint,
In the blink of an eye,
It is already gone

another log on the fire
10 000 frogs singing in the rain
burst into flames


El G!!! what a nice surprise!
many thanks to you, Linda, and our El G,
Thank you.
ill stop, b4 i get all ..well.

the shit stick sure has some rainbow diamond glow.

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*turn my foot up and look at the bottom of my shoe*
God damn it. Stinks.

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