Zazen for a few

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mansurhirbi87 wrote: Tue Apr 07, 2020 2:48 pm
LastLegend wrote: Tue Apr 07, 2020 11:03 am
mansurhirbi87 wrote: Tue Apr 07, 2020 3:35 am The difficult aspect, beside body disconfort, is that the mind don't want to be put in "checkmate ". It want finish the zazen. I practice some time ago but at same time i was having anxiety crisis. Once while i was practicing at a zendo i had a very bad experience. i told to the "master", that even is a professional psychologist, and she just said : "Oh, that it's the century malady !" I got very disapointed and left the pratice looking for another buddhist or non-buddhist spiritual practice or way. Recently i've thinking seriously to return. Indded i'll not think, i'll do it.
That is my personal experience that guided me to think, beside other things, that zazen was something not to everyone. Even the "master" said it once.

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Century malady means karma of eons and self is being challenged. Anxiety is a result of lifestyle can be lessened through diet and excercise. You don’t want a meat diet you want a diet of principal unprocessed whole grains such as barley, brown rice, etc should be your 75-80% of each meal daily. That’s principal, the rest should be supplemental.
Thank you, brother. I had not that crisis anymore. I had three times strong ones and for a couple of months , almost an year, light ones.
One of the important lessons is about the "master". Shakyamuni said to us rely on the dharma and try the things by ourselves

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If strictly follow Sakyumuni Buddha, pretty much you do everything yourself. Vairocana on the other hand is different.
Make personal vows.

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LastLegend wrote: Tue Apr 07, 2020 2:57 pm If strictly follow Sakyumuni Buddha, pretty much you do everything yourself. Vairocana on the other hand is different.
How?
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Meido wrote: Mon Apr 06, 2020 6:41 pm
mansurhirbi87 wrote: Mon Apr 06, 2020 5:22 pm I was thinking more on soto perspective as the center of all practices, almost exclusive. I know that rinzai has another methods, all depending on a master (something hard to find, so not to everyone)
Soto Zen also requires a master, absolutely.

Finding a Zen teacher is not difficult. In the modern era, it is easier than ever.
I was in a Soto zen centre and I was told to sit cross-legged for an hour (10 min walking meditation after 25 min and then again 25 min of sitting) WITHOUT moving. For my legs it was extremely difficult. At one point it was almost unbearable, only a few seconds more and I would start screaming from the pain. This way your knees can bet seriously damaged if you're a person, who didn't sit cross-legged for a long time. Even so I see it as a positive experience, because it convinced me to focus more on loving-kindness and compassion (only by thinking of others, I was able to lessen the pain at that moment). I have been in two soto zen centres until now and I was same, so it wasn't only about the teacher. The pain was horrible, but if I can, I'll go there again, because I liked it in some way. I would say that because of the pain, the meditation was more powerful and I was more focused in order to escape the pain.
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It seems like people don’t believe in unprocessed wisdom that functions without making any distinction...yet distinction is also made.

And Maitreya’s method of transforming karma.
Make personal vows.

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LastLegend wrote: Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:00 am It seems like people don’t believe in unprocessed wisdom that functions without making any distinction...yet distinction is also made.

And Maitreya’s method of transforming karma.
Can you explain how this relates to the OP?
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jake wrote: Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:31 am
LastLegend wrote: Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:00 am It seems like people don’t believe in unprocessed wisdom that functions without making any distinction...yet distinction is also made.

And Maitreya’s method of transforming karma.
Can you explain how this relates to the OP?
i'm confused too
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"In our scriptures (Samyuktagama Sutra, volume 33), it is said that there are four kinds of horses: excellent ones, good ones, poor ones, and bad ones. The best horse will run slow and fast, right and left, at the driver's will, before it sees the shadow of the whip; the second best will run as well as the first one does, just before the whip reaches its skin; the third one will run when it feels pain on its body; the fourth will run after the pain penetrates to the marrow of its bones. You can imagine how difficult it is for the fourth one to learn how to run!

When we hear this story, almost all of us want to be the best horse. If it is impossible to be the best one, we want to be the second best. This is, I think, the usual understanding of this story, and of Zen. You may think that when you sit in zazen you will find out whether you are one of the best horses or one of the worst ones. Here, however, there is a misunderstanding of Zen. If you think the aim of Zen practice is to train you to become one of the best horses, you will have a big problem. This is not the right understanding. If you practice Zen in the right way it does not matter whether you are the best horse or the worst one. When you consider the mercy of Buddha, how do you think Buddha will feel about the four kinds of horses ? He will have more sympathy for the worst one than for the best one. When you are determined to practice zazen with the great mind of Buddha, you will find the worst horse is the most valuable one. In your very imperfections you will find the basis for your firm, way-seeking mind. Those who can sit perfectly physically usually take more time to obtain the true way of Zen, the actual feeling of Zen, the marrow of Zen. But those who find great difficulties in practicing Zen will find more meaning in it. So I think that sometimes the best horse may be the worst horse, and the worst horse can be the best one. If you study calligraphy you will find that those who are not so clever usually become the best calligraphers. Those who are very clever with their hands often encounter great difficulty after they have reached a certain stage. This is also true in art and in Zen. It is true in life."

ZEN MIND,BEGINNER'S MIND
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