Is Soto Zen Gradual?

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Re: Is Soto Zen Gradual?

Post by Anders » Fri Jan 06, 2012 11:48 am

tomamundsen wrote:
Anders Honore wrote:Soto Zen is obviously a sudden path.
It is obviously sudden and subtly gradual.
It is easy to find gradual elements. Thankfully. A school that only taught sudden approach would be a dangerous thing for many people, I think. My point was simply that I don't think Soto Zen is any less of a sudden path that others who carry that moniker.
"Even if my body should be burnt to death in the fires of hell
I would endure it for myriad lifetimes
As your companion in practice"

--- Gandavyuha Sutra

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Re: Is Soto Zen Gradual?

Post by zangskar » Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:15 pm

Interesting discussion. :twothumbsup:

I wanted to mention there is another interesting looking discussion in the form of a new Dogen anthology edited by S. Heine coming out next month: ... 62&sr=1-19" onclick=";return false;
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Re: Is Soto Zen Gradual?

Post by Astus » Wed Dec 18, 2013 5:03 pm

1 Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

2 If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

3 Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

4 With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.

1 Huangbo, T2012Ap381c1 2 Nirvana Sutra, T374p521b3; tr. Yamamoto 3 Mazu, X1321p3b23; tr. J. Jia 4 Yongjia, T2014p395c14; tr. from "The Sword of Wisdom"

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Re: Is Soto Zen Gradual?

Post by thigle » Sun Feb 02, 2014 10:48 am

DarwidHalim wrote: Soto is a gradual [..]
Because it's a long way from initially always "practised" just sitting to just sitting.

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