What does Shije entail?

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What does Shije entail?

Post by Knotty Veneer » Mon Apr 23, 2012 7:51 pm

Can anyone point me to information on Shije (the practice introduced by PhaDampa Sangye).

What does the practice center around (without obviously giving away info protected by samayas)? For example, Chod focuses on offering the body as way of overcoming dualistic thinking (in the form of the lha-dre) based on ideas in the prajnaparamita literature (poor explanation I know). Does Shije do this too or is it something totally different?

Is there still an unbroken Shije lineage?

Any info gratefully received.
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Re: What does Shije entail?

Post by heart » Mon Apr 23, 2012 8:30 pm

Knotty Veneer wrote:Can anyone point me to information on Shije (the practice introduced by PhaDampa Sangye).

What does the practice center around (without obviously giving away info protected by samayas)? For example, Chod focuses on offering the body as way of overcoming dualistic thinking (in the form of the lha-dre) based on ideas in the prajnaparamita literature (poor explanation I know). Does Shije do this too or is it something totally different?

Is there still an unbroken Shije lineage?

Any info gratefully received.
Yes, I think so. For sure the empowerment's and transmission exist.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Hundred-Verse ... 1590301544" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.ph ... 67&start=0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.phadampa.org/Chod-Practice.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://gdamsngagmdzod.tsadra.org/index. ... hirteen_Pa" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: What does Shije entail?

Post by udawa » Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:53 pm

There's a useful description of the Zhije system in Ringu Tulku's book about Rime.

http://www.shambhala.com/html/catalog/i ... -286-6.cfm

And there's this earlier thread http://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.ph ... 67&start=0

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Re: What does Shije entail?

Post by Totoro » Tue May 15, 2012 6:08 am

Lama Tsering Wangdu holds the Shinje lineage. http://www.lamawangdu.org/ Rinpoche visits the US annually for about six months, residing mostly in Portland. But he does get invited to several places in US to teach. He has a close student who runs this center http://www.phadampa.org/

You can also read Lama Wangdu's biography, Hundred Thousand Rays of the Sun (from Amazon) - which tells of his birth in Dingri (Padampa Sangye's holy place) and how he is connected to the Shinje and Chod lineages.

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Re: What does Shije entail?

Post by conebeckham » Tue May 15, 2012 4:28 pm

Funny, I just posted to the "Shije in North America" thread.....there's some info regarding what Shije entails in the book I just read--go take a look at that thread, because I'm too lazy to cut and paste!! :smile:
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It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
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Re: What does Shije entail?

Post by yagmort2 » Tue Jun 27, 2017 12:06 pm

i might have missed that, but i can't find any info on what kind of practice shi-je is/was and how does/did it differ from cö?

also this may come as a somewhat offtopic, but can someone clarify the quote from Sky Dancer: The Secret Life and Songs of the Lady Yeshe Tsogyel by keith Dowman:

"To be brief, five hundred years from now, when Tibet is one vast fort bristling with spears, and the valleys and peaks are covered with castles, an extremist she-devil will lead beings down a false path. When her perverse teaching of Severance (gcod) has beguiled the land, an emanation of my
Body will project an emanation of Speech called Drolma; a Body emanation of my Body called Kunga Zangmo will appear; a Mind emanation of my Body called Pelmo of Central Tibet will shine forth; a Quality emanation of my Body called Spiritual Son will appear in Yeru; and an activity emanation of my Body will appear in Tamyul in Kham. Thus the scriptural tradition of the profound Tantra will be reasserted; The perfect esoteric doctrine of Severance will be re-established; The spiritual sons' Four Leonine Blessings will convert beings."

who is this "extremist she-devil"?

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Re: What does Shije entail?

Post by heart » Tue Jun 27, 2017 7:56 pm

yagmort2 wrote:i might have missed that, but i can't find any info on what kind of practice shi-je is/was and how does/did it differ from cö?

also this may come as a somewhat offtopic, but can someone clarify the quote from Sky Dancer: The Secret Life and Songs of the Lady Yeshe Tsogyel by keith Dowman:

"To be brief, five hundred years from now, when Tibet is one vast fort bristling with spears, and the valleys and peaks are covered with castles, an extremist she-devil will lead beings down a false path. When her perverse teaching of Severance (gcod) has beguiled the land, an emanation of my
Body will project an emanation of Speech called Drolma; a Body emanation of my Body called Kunga Zangmo will appear; a Mind emanation of my Body called Pelmo of Central Tibet will shine forth; a Quality emanation of my Body called Spiritual Son will appear in Yeru; and an activity emanation of my Body will appear in Tamyul in Kham. Thus the scriptural tradition of the profound Tantra will be reasserted; The perfect esoteric doctrine of Severance will be re-established; The spiritual sons' Four Leonine Blessings will convert beings."

who is this "extremist she-devil"?
Since you don't know how to google: https://dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?t=3767

I wouldn't take any Keith Dowman translation to seriously.

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Re: What does Shije entail?

Post by yagmort2 » Tue Jun 27, 2017 8:50 pm

i don't need to google it, the link has been already given in the third post above by udawa.
i didn't find the answer there.

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Re: What does Shije entail?

Post by heart » Wed Jun 28, 2017 4:57 am

yagmort2 wrote:i don't need to google it, the link has been already given in the third post above by udawa.
i didn't find the answer there.
Then read the book; "The Life and Teaching of Padampa Sangye, Lion of Siddhas"

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"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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