Book on Non Conceptualization?

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Book on Non Conceptualization?

Postby Tirisilex » Tue Mar 21, 2017 7:34 pm

Can someone please suggest a book on Non conceptualization.. I tried a search on Amazon and got nothing. I really want to explore the concept of non conception.

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Re: Book on Non Conceptualization?

Postby dzogchungpa » Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:40 pm

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Re: Book on Non Conceptualization?

Postby Tirisilex » Tue Mar 21, 2017 11:36 pm

oh great!!! Thank you..

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Re: Book on Non Conceptualization?

Postby Wayfarer » Wed Mar 22, 2017 10:31 am

Second that. Ain't SQL marvellous?
In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities; in the expert's mind there are few ~ Suzuki-roshi

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Re: Book on Non Conceptualization?

Postby Grigoris » Wed Mar 22, 2017 6:07 pm

I used to have a book on non-conceptualistaion, but I ended using it as a drawing pad because it had no words or images in it... :tongue:
"My religion is not deceiving myself."
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"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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Re: Book on Non Conceptualization?

Postby White Lotus » Mon Mar 27, 2017 1:32 pm

Conceptualisation is all verbal thinking. As soon as you think you are using an element of the tetralemma. As soon as you make a proposition about anything you fall into a bias and are attached. That said... All thoughts are an expression of emptiness; the time comes that it is no longer possible to grasp nor reject words. Everything said is nothing said. Everything said is everything said. Words and thoughts dont touch reality and yet they do. Emptiness must express itself.
in any matters of importance. dont rely on me. i may not know what i am talking about. take what i say as mere speculation. i am not ordained. nor do i have a formal training. i do believe though that if i am wrong on any point. there are those on this site who i hope will quickly point out my mistakes.

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Re: Book on Non Conceptualization?

Postby White Lotus » Tue Mar 28, 2017 2:12 pm

Man's natural condition is non conceptual. We can say that there is not a thing to form a concept of. Only arising of appearances. Only emptiness. What appears to be a concept is actually a non concept. Empty. My own view is that no view grasps the reality of existence. Not even thusness nor emptiness. I have no thought on the matter. Thats my thought.
in any matters of importance. dont rely on me. i may not know what i am talking about. take what i say as mere speculation. i am not ordained. nor do i have a formal training. i do believe though that if i am wrong on any point. there are those on this site who i hope will quickly point out my mistakes.

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Re: Book on Non Conceptualization?

Postby Malcolm » Tue Mar 28, 2017 2:19 pm

Tirisilex wrote:Can someone please suggest a book on Non conceptualization.. I tried a search on Amazon and got nothing. I really want to explore the concept of non conception.



You should look at Klaus Dieter Mathis writings on Kagyu Mahāmudra.
Atikosha
Tibetan Medicine Blog
Sudarsana Mandala, Tibetan Medicine and Herbs
Buddhahood in This Life
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Re: Book on Non Conceptualization?

Postby Grigoris » Tue Mar 28, 2017 2:40 pm

White Lotus wrote:Man's natural condition is non conceptual.
What about women? Is their natural condition non-conceptual too?
"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde

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Re: Book on Non Conceptualization?

Postby conebeckham » Tue Mar 28, 2017 3:33 pm

Maitripa's the guy.

Peter Alan Roberts translated some important work in his Mahamudra collection.
དམ་པའི་དོན་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ཆེ་བ་དང་།
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།


"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")

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Re: Book on Non Conceptualization?

Postby Tirisilex » Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:58 am

Is Mahamudra about Non Conceptualization?

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Re: Book on Non Conceptualization?

Postby monktastic » Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:52 pm

Wayfarer wrote:Second that. Ain't SQL marvellous?


If you try creating something like Google using SQL you're gonna have a baaaad time :smile:
This undistracted state of ordinary mind
Is the meditation.
One will understand it in due course.

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Re: Book on Non Conceptualization?

Postby dzogchungpa » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:06 am

monktastic wrote:
Wayfarer wrote:Second that. Ain't SQL marvellous?


If you try creating something like Google using SQL you're gonna have a baaaad time :smile:


Do you mean baaaad as in good?
The whole purpose of Buddhism is to have fun, isn't it? - Dzongsar Jamyang Khyentse Rinpoche

The secret of having fun is nongrasping. - Anam Thubten

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Re: Book on Non Conceptualization?

Postby White Lotus » Thu Apr 20, 2017 5:32 pm

Grigoris, to have no thought on the matter is to be non conceptual. Also to have thought on the matter is non conceptual. Empty. :)
in any matters of importance. dont rely on me. i may not know what i am talking about. take what i say as mere speculation. i am not ordained. nor do i have a formal training. i do believe though that if i am wrong on any point. there are those on this site who i hope will quickly point out my mistakes.


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