steveb1 wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:18 am
(Sincere question and playing a bit of a Devil's Advocate here, but I keep running into this question and feel that I have to ask it:)
That is, first you're nothing, a mere illusion, and then the patterns that "I" created will ripple through time to create a "reasonable facsimile" of "me" in some karmically-designated "format"; a format that only resembles
me, but will not be
I have, however, an instinctual intuition that my view of this issue must
be wrong - my understanding must be incomplete or misinterpretive, because:
1) If I'm illusion, why should I practice right action and compassion toward myself? I'm just a temporary cipher composed of impermanent processes, which at death will be scattered anyway. So - 'Why Bother?"
2) Ditto re: other sentient (non-) beings: why should I regard them any more highly or with any more reality than I regard myself? Like me, they are all illusions, empty of form/self-nature, temporary ciphers; how can a non-being spiritually assist or obstruct another non-being? So again the question - "Why Bother?"
Wow really great work communicating and digging into the logic of your experience in the context of Buddhism. All the respect to you....
So the answer is super complex. ...lets set the stage.... this is hard, so start with your super intellect steveb. In a nutshell, the answer complies with all of your thoughts. So first please take a moment to recall and accept everything you felt and understood and rejected and accepted when you wrote that OP.
...ok so from there.... first stop, buddhahood.... you wrote, and good on you:
is, first you're nothing, a mere illusion, and then the patterns that "I" created will ripple through time to create a "reasonable facsimile" of "me" in some karmically-designated "format";
This is something that anyone with the slightest ability to think for theselves will consider when diving into the four noble truths: the fourth truth, the truth of the path, is two way. Daa. Of course it is two way. And i can go straight to hell (am human now). That fact alone is proof that the path to enlightenment also serves as the path to hell.
So maybe that is enough. What do i really know about the actual origin of the first link of dependent origination? Everything, because its all here in my mind. And you know everything also. So my advice is pratyyeka buddha path, focus on prooving and disproving all ideas that you and others have.
Well, i will say one more thing...
If I'm illusion, why should I practice right action and compassion toward myself?
You know the answer to this.... ..... not only are you a real human being (as opposed to an illusion, see second of two truths), inside your mind/brain still lives the sensitive child that you once were. And you can make an #$% of yourself and hurt that childs feelings, or you can share lovng kindness (based in part on compassion).
i dedicate this post to your happiness, the causes of your happiness, the absence of your suffering the causes of the absence of your suffering that we may not have too much attachment nor aversion. SAMAYAMANUPALAYA