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Cherish me as supreme

Post by tomschwarz » Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:31 pm

Hello friends,

His Holiness the Dalai Lama has recited these eight versus all of his life. And it helps him. They help me a lot. You know the kind of teaching which shows you the gap between now and enlightenment.... http://www.lotsawahouse.org/tibetan-mas ... ining-mind

Question, do you cherish others as supreme? Do you see ill-natured beings as something rare, a priceless treasure? Do you have experiences with this practice that you are willing to share?
i dedicate this post to your happiness, the causes of your happiness, the absence of your suffering the causes of the absence of your suffering that we may not have too much attachment nor aversion. SAMAYAMANUPALAYA

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Post by Karma Dondrup Tashi » Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:41 pm

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"Training The Mind | The 14Th Dalai Lama". 2018. The 14Th Dalai Lama. Accessed October 10 2018. https://www.dalailama.com/teachings/training-the-mind.

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Post by Queequeg » Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:50 pm

At that time there was also a monk, a bodhisattva, called Sadāparibhūta (Never Despising).

“O Mahāsthāmaprāpta, why was he called Sadāparibhūta? Because whenever he saw any monk, nun, layman, or laywoman, he would praise and pay homage to them, saying:

I deeply respect you. I dare not belittle you. Why is this? Because all of you practice the bodhisattva path, and will become buddhas.

“Furthermore, this monk did not concentrate himself on reciting the sutras but only paid homage such that, even when he saw the fourfold assembly from afar, he would go up to them, praise, and pay homage to them, saying:

I dare not belittle you, because you will all become buddhas.

“In the fourfold assembly there were some whose minds were impure and who became angry, and reviled and disparaged him, saying:

Where does this ignorant monk come from? He says that he himself does not belittle us and predicts that we shall all become buddhas. We do not need such an idle prediction.

“In this way he wandered about for many years and was always reviled. But he never got angry and always said, ‘You will become a buddha.’

“Whenever he spoke these words, people would assail him with sticks or stones; he fled from them yet still proclaimed loudly at a distance:

I dare not belittle you. You will all become buddhas.

“Since he always spoke these words, the excessively proud monks, nuns, laymen, and laywomen called him Sadāparibhūta...

“O Mahāsthāmaprāpta, what do you think about this? Was Bodhisattva Sadāparibhūta of that time someone unknown to you? He was none other than I myself."

-Lotus Sutra, Ch. 20
Those who, even with distracted minds,
Entered a stupa compound
And chanted but once, “Namo Buddhaya!”
Have certainly attained the path of the buddhas.

-Lotus Sutra, Expedient Means Chapter

There are beings with little dust in their eyes who are falling away because they do not hear the Dhamma. There will be those who will understand the Dhamma.
-Ayacana Sutta

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Post by 如傑優婆塞 » Thu Oct 11, 2018 5:49 am

“One who conceives ‘I am equal, better, or worse,’
Might on that account engage in disputes.
But one not shaken in the three discriminations
Does not think, ‘I am equal or better.’

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“Soṇa, when any ascetics and brahmins, on the basis of form—which is impermanent, suffering, and subject to change—regard themselves thus: ‘I am superior,’ or ‘I am equal,’ or ‘I am inferior,’ what is that due to apart from not seeing things as they really are?" More here

There are, bhikkhus, these three types of conceit. Which three? The conceit 'I am superior', the conceit 'I am equal', the conceit 'I am inferior'.
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Post by tomschwarz » Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:59 pm

Thank you for the great quotes and links.
Verse 6 of 8 for trainingthe mind:

Even when someone I have helped,
Or in whom I have placed great hopes
Mistreats me very unjustly,
I will view that person as a true spiritual teacher.
This works for me. Have others found that this definition of a spiritual teacher holds water?
i dedicate this post to your happiness, the causes of your happiness, the absence of your suffering the causes of the absence of your suffering that we may not have too much attachment nor aversion. SAMAYAMANUPALAYA

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Post by Crazywisdom » Sun Oct 21, 2018 12:15 am

I received long teachings on 8 verses. I just looked up
Something related to betrayal by loved ones. This is a very helpful text.
I got my Chili Chilaya.

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Post by Crazywisdom » Sun Oct 21, 2018 12:17 am

tomschwarz wrote:
Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:59 pm
Thank you for the great quotes and links.
Verse 6 of 8 for trainingthe mind:

Even when someone I have helped,
Or in whom I have placed great hopes
Mistreats me very unjustly,
I will view that person as a true spiritual teacher.
This works for me. Have others found that this definition of a spiritual teacher holds water?
The meaning is that when this happens the happening itself is the teacher. What is the teacher teaching? Sentient beings are swayed by ignorance and conflicts. That is the way it is and it ain’t never no different ever.
I got my Chili Chilaya.

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Post by tomschwarz » Mon Oct 22, 2018 5:55 am

Crazywisdom wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 12:17 am
The meaning
True true. So there are humans, which exist, and there is happening itself, which exists. The happening is the teacher.

But is there only one meaning in this teaching from Geshe Langri Thangpa? Others?
i dedicate this post to your happiness, the causes of your happiness, the absence of your suffering the causes of the absence of your suffering that we may not have too much attachment nor aversion. SAMAYAMANUPALAYA

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Post by Crazywisdom » Mon Oct 22, 2018 6:02 am

tomschwarz wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 5:55 am
Crazywisdom wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 12:17 am
The meaning
True true. So there are humans, which exist, and there is happening itself, which exists. The happening is the teacher.

But is there only one meaning in this teaching from Geshe Langri Thangpa? Others?
That’s the transmission I got. Humans can’t avoid conflicts, so when loved ones betray that’s the lesson.
I got my Chili Chilaya.

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Post by tomschwarz » Tue Oct 23, 2018 9:53 pm

I would add that selflessness and cherishing people, specifically cherishing negative people, is a meaning of this text, no?

I will always hold them dear

from the depths of my heart
Cherish others as supreme

(Destructive emotions will) hurt both me and others.

I will cherish them as something rare,
As though I’d found a priceless treasure

I will take defeat upon myself,
And give the victory to others.

I will view that person as a true spiritual teacher

Take upon myself
All their hurt and suffering.
i dedicate this post to your happiness, the causes of your happiness, the absence of your suffering the causes of the absence of your suffering that we may not have too much attachment nor aversion. SAMAYAMANUPALAYA

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Post by Monlam Tharchin » Tue Oct 23, 2018 11:07 pm

Crazywisdom wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 12:17 am
tomschwarz wrote:
Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:59 pm
Thank you for the great quotes and links.
Verse 6 of 8 for trainingthe mind:

Even when someone I have helped,
Or in whom I have placed great hopes
Mistreats me very unjustly,
I will view that person as a true spiritual teacher.
This works for me. Have others found that this definition of a spiritual teacher holds water?
The meaning is that when this happens the happening itself is the teacher. What is the teacher teaching? Sentient beings are swayed by ignorance and conflicts. That is the way it is and it ain’t never no different ever.
In addition to seeing others realistically, this verse also reminds me that anger, betrayal, disappointment do not come from outside. Those kinds of hurts point to a mistaken perception.
Amitābha Buddha!

The Buddhas and Bodhisattvas have unobstructed vision in all directions. Everything is in their presence; and I stand in front of them. -- Shantideva

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Post by Crazywisdom » Wed Oct 24, 2018 4:44 am

Monlam Tharchin wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 11:07 pm
Crazywisdom wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 12:17 am
tomschwarz wrote:
Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:59 pm
Thank you for the great quotes and links.



This works for me. Have others found that this definition of a spiritual teacher holds water?
The meaning is that when this happens the happening itself is the teacher. What is the teacher teaching? Sentient beings are swayed by ignorance and conflicts. That is the way it is and it ain’t never no different ever.
In addition to seeing others realistically, this verse also reminds me that anger, betrayal, disappointment do not come from outside. Those kinds of hurts point to a mistaken perception.
In the ultimate sense. But I don’t think it’s saying if they piss on your face see it as rain. One can mentally accept the defeat as the ripening of karma and turn within to the ultimate nature, by letting go of these negative people, bc this is the nature of samsara. My lama gave the example of the cultural revolution and been in jail and beaten by the Chinese. I don’t think it was mistaken perception that this was unjust.
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Post by Monlam Tharchin » Wed Oct 24, 2018 4:56 am

:good:

I was thinking too that where anger or negativity arise towards someone, there is also the abandonment of vows with regard to that person.
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Post by Crazywisdom » Wed Oct 24, 2018 5:00 am

Monlam Tharchin wrote:
Wed Oct 24, 2018 4:56 am
:good:

I was thinking too that where anger or negativity arise towards someone, there is also the abandonment of vows with regard to that person.
Yes. And for a mantra practitioner it can be a samaya breakage.
I got my Chili Chilaya.

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Post by Dorje Shedrub » Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:40 am

HHDL recounts a story of a monk who had been imprisoned by the Chinese for many years. When he eventually was able to leave Tibet, he went to HHDL's monastery in Tibet.

HHDL was talking with him one day and asked the monk if he encountered any dangers in prison, and the monk replied, "yes, there were a few times of danger." HHDL asked what danger he experienced, knowing torture likely occurred. The monk replied that a few times he was in danger of losing compassion for his captors.

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Post by Ignorant_Fool » Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:36 am

Dorje Shedrub wrote:
Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:40 am
HHDL recounts a story of a monk who had been imprisoned by the Chinese for many years. When he eventually was able to leave Tibet, he went to HHDL's monastery in Tibet.

HHDL was talking with him one day and asked the monk if he encountered any dangers in prison, and the monk replied, "yes, there were a few times of danger." HHDL asked what danger he experienced, knowing torture likely occurred. The monk replied that a few times he was in danger of losing compassion for his captors.

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Is it true that this story is about Lopon Tenzin Namdak Rinpoche, as detailed here?

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Post by Dorje Shedrub » Wed Oct 24, 2018 6:27 pm

Ignorant_Fool wrote:
Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:36 am
Dorje Shedrub wrote:
Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:40 am
HHDL recounts a story of a monk who had been imprisoned by the Chinese for many years. When he eventually was able to leave Tibet, he went to HHDL's monastery in Tibet.

HHDL was talking with him one day and asked the monk if he encountered any dangers in prison, and the monk replied, "yes, there were a few times of danger." HHDL asked what danger he experienced, knowing torture likely occurred. The monk replied that a few times he was in danger of losing compassion for his captors.

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Is it true that this story is about Lopon Tenzin Namdak Rinpoche, as detailed here?
I don't know myself. I heard HHDL tell the story in a video, but He didn't mention any name.

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Post by tomschwarz » Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:40 pm

Dorje Shedrub wrote:
Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:40 am
The monk replied that a few times he was in danger of losing compassion for his captors.
that is the real deal. and the 8 versus. why? because...
the ripening
gone
turn within to the ultimate nature
gone
letting go of these negative people
gone
the nature of samsara
gone
My lama gave
gone
cultural revolution
soon to be forgotten forever.
jail and beaten by the Chinese
and me, and you, english, other earth languages, this planet, sun, all gone. We probably dont was to put our eggs in that basket..... because it will go so soon, as soon as you die, no conciousness. So we should probably take the tip that buddhism gives us and release from attachment and aversion (and desire), sooner than later... ...i mean to get comfortable with the idea...
i dedicate this post to your happiness, the causes of your happiness, the absence of your suffering the causes of the absence of your suffering that we may not have too much attachment nor aversion. SAMAYAMANUPALAYA

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