Solipsism
- dzogchungpa
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Re: Solipsism
Who wants to know?
There is not only nothingness because there is always, and always can manifest. - Thinley Norbu Rinpoche
Re: Solipsism
Compassion and solipsism can’t possibly co-exist, if you think about it.
'Only practice with no gaining idea' ~ Suzuki Roshi
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One Zen master said "entire Universe inside bony skull" but i think the meaning isn't the same. Buddha teaches that there is no permanent, eternal Self or Soul, "Atman." He teaches Anatman, that what one takes to be self or ego is ultimately really only Brahman. This isn't inconsistent with other Indian mystics
"We are magical animals that roam" ~ Roam
- PadmaVonSamba
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Re: Solipsism
Only two things can be proven to occur:
1.awareness
2.objects of awareness
"proven to occur" is a phrase superior to "known to exist"
because "exist" in the buddhist context refers to having an intrinsic self-arising reality
which cannot be deconstructed into other parts,
and the term, "known", well, that is just too vague.
It cannot be argued that awareness doesn't occur
otherwise, there would be no awareness of that argument.
awareness is also an object of awareness: there is an awareness of being aware.
to answer your question more specifically...
Buddhism teaches that there is nothing that arises that can be said to be truly an existent "self".
All constructs identified as a self are composites arising from conditional causes.
When those causes cease to function, the apparent arising of a self likewise ceases.
(when you stop blowing into a horn, the sound stops).
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1.awareness
2.objects of awareness
"proven to occur" is a phrase superior to "known to exist"
because "exist" in the buddhist context refers to having an intrinsic self-arising reality
which cannot be deconstructed into other parts,
and the term, "known", well, that is just too vague.
It cannot be argued that awareness doesn't occur
otherwise, there would be no awareness of that argument.
awareness is also an object of awareness: there is an awareness of being aware.
to answer your question more specifically...
Buddhism teaches that there is nothing that arises that can be said to be truly an existent "self".
All constructs identified as a self are composites arising from conditional causes.
When those causes cease to function, the apparent arising of a self likewise ceases.
(when you stop blowing into a horn, the sound stops).
.
.
.
EMPTIFUL.
An inward outlook produces outward insight.
An inward outlook produces outward insight.
Re: Solipsism
Solipsism is only a problem if you think its a problem.
Nothing remains
Of the house that I was born in--
Fireflies.
- Santoka, 1882-1940
Mountain Tasting: Zen Haiku by Santoka Taneda, 1980, p.48
Translated by John Stevens
Of the house that I was born in--
Fireflies.
- Santoka, 1882-1940
Mountain Tasting: Zen Haiku by Santoka Taneda, 1980, p.48
Translated by John Stevens
Re: Solipsism
Thanks for playing, all you figments of my imagination!
AND THE WINNERS ARE ...
AND THE WINNERS ARE ...
Where now is my mind engaged? - Shantideva
Re: Solipsism
I think "Who wants to know?" by dzogchungpa was the best reaction!
- dzogchungpa
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Re: Solipsism
There is not only nothingness because there is always, and always can manifest. - Thinley Norbu Rinpoche
Re: Solipsism
People are deeply silly, not philosophies. Solipsism has its utility, the silliness comes when you take a philosophy, any philosophy, and create some eternal "true" system that is supposed to answer all of life's issues. While Solipsism goes too far, it's something that we apes had to consider at some point in our evolution, and its still useful even when considered in light of Buddha Dharma to point in the direction of the primacy of the subjective experience, and point to the fact that external things aren't as solid as they seem.
Re: Solipsism
This was brought up recently in the dzogchen forum.
I am no expert, but think that solipsism is incompatible with Buddhas teachings. The tricky thing is that some of the teachings could seem to imply solipsism (could solipsism be a 'near enemy' of aspects of the dharma?).
I recently finished a good book called "spell of the sensuous" which is, among other things, an introduction to phenomenology. Solipsism was major problem facing the founder of phenomenology and he eventually solved it through the idea of 'intersubjectivity.' If you are interested you might want to either read the book or google 'intersubjectivity.'
"Death's second name is 'omnipresent.' On the relative truth it seems we become separate. But on the absolute there is no separation." Lama Dawa
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Sounds interesting... I'll check it out.
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Wow. This is great post. Sounds like mind disconnected from heart, so to speak.
Some quotes which I think can as well confuse without guidance, contemplation, meditation:
Dogen: "The true person is not anyone in particular but like the deep blue color of the limitless sky, it is everyone, everywhere in the world."
Kalu Rinpoche: “We live in illusion and the appearance of things. There is a reality. We are that reality. When you understand this, you see that you are nothing, and being nothing, you are everything. That is all.”
Therefore words are not to rely on but what they are pointing.
Dogen: "I asked what are words. The Tenzo said: one two three four five. I asked again what is practice? He answered: nothing in the entire universe is hidden.”
“We are each living in our own soap opera. We do not see things as they really are. We see only our interpretations. This is because our minds are always so busy...But when the mind calms down, it becomes clear. This mental clarity enables us to see things as they really are, instead of projecting our commentary on everything.” Jetsunma Tenzin Palmo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bg9jOYnEUA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bg9jOYnEUA
Re: Solipsism
It is not at all in accord with Buddhadharma.
However it is often the actual view of many 'mind only' advocates.
You can find it on most Buddhist websites most days.
Someone asks a question and is told that really neither they nor the problem exists..only mind.
That is solipsism in its quasi-Buddhist form.
All the more pernicious because those afflicted with quasi-Buddhist solipsism hardly ever realise that it IS an affliction. They think they have cracked the Dharma.
“You don’t know it. You just know about it. That is not the same thing.”
Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche to me.
Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche to me.
Re: Solipsism
Yes, it cannot. And this is not what is meant with inseparable, all inclusive or all encompassing.
Maybe an inspiration:
Not to know the equality of appearance emptiness
And get attached to appearances alone is delusion
But to get attached to emptiness alone is delusion too
If you know the equality of appearance emptiness
There’s no need to get caught up in or give up phenomena
Those appearances and emptiness
What you must do is to rest in the spaciousness
Of the equality of appearance emptiness.
Tsultrim Gyamtso Rinpoche
“We are each living in our own soap opera. We do not see things as they really are. We see only our interpretations. This is because our minds are always so busy...But when the mind calms down, it becomes clear. This mental clarity enables us to see things as they really are, instead of projecting our commentary on everything.” Jetsunma Tenzin Palmo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bg9jOYnEUA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bg9jOYnEUA
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I don't understand how there can be a conversation about solipsism. If solipsism is true, then none of you exist. You're not even dependently arisen because I made it all up from my solitary perspective. Solipsism is awareness from only one perspective whereas dependent origination implies multiple perspectives. If it is possible to have a dialogue about solipsism, it is thereby disproved.
Where now is my mind engaged? - Shantideva