tomschwarz wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:42 pm
Simon E. wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 28, 2018 12:45 pm
So NOT 'all and all'.
Funny Simon, the champion of the value of disrespect it is very true, there is a time and place for rejecting things... ....wasnt that you, that called my posts self referencial and like a little dog that you can not shake off? Of course, that was correct.... ...those must havs been deleted, i can not find them....
practice a path that addresses afflictions in a more direct manner, then the outlook is different.
This is very compelling.... ....when i was 15 and first introduced to Buddhism (by way of CTR), i had (previously) decided that all of the worlds problems hinged on the fear of rejection and the fear of failure. So to address those mental acflictions in a (very) direct way, i did things like riding my bicycle naked, telling girls i was attracted to them, buying and studying academic books, essentially "beating the fears" and "releasing my mind" fom the bounds of insecurity.... droped out of highschool took the GED, enrolled in univetsity, studied philosophy, music, marxism, meteorology, geology, psychology, etc...
Enter Buddhism... ....one major ingredient missing in that man-cave sauce.... ...caring for others. So to address your excellent point, alow me to fast-forward: my most direct tool to address my mental afflictions are the six perfections. So accepting others as human, as caused, a logical result of their genes and experience, is a basis for ethics (first four perfections). His holiness the dalai lama often talks about our minds being very similar, people have many of the same basic mental afflictions and many persevere and find real positivity, that is a basis for respect. With acceptance/understandimg/respect for humanity/human situation there is a groundwork for absolute love.
Then from these two eyes wè see only our own side, right Simon? How can i see, feel and support your side? Your mind? That is where the perfection of meditation kicks in. I have to make room in here for you for your mind, and that is where leaving my self centered perspective through quiet mind and open heart comes into play.
So this is basically my direct effort to counteract afflicted mental states: ethics, meditation, wisdom.
What about you Drenpa? How do you counteract your afflictive mental states? Simon, do you still have afflictive mental states? If yes, how do you counter them?
Hi Tom - Thanks for sharing some of your experience and background. Applying the six paramitas is an excellent path that can eradicate our afflictions and generate positive mental states, karma etc. Especially if combined with study, reflection, meditation, asking questions etc. If everyone in the world pursued such a path and did their best, think of how different things might be.
My response "more of the same for a very long time" to your question of "what next" was just to indicate the relative speed with which such a path can be applied in the Kali Yuga. The general explanation I've heard is that if we follow such a path, then we can progress lifetime after lifetime and eventually fully eradicate the afflictions - but it takes a long time, and is difficult to apply in the world we live in. i.e. - to carve out enough time to practice, study, reflect etc. in a world that seems off it's rocker at times.
The general explanation of the http://www.rigpawiki.org/index.php?title=Nine_yanas
nine yanas categorizes the different approaches, at least according to the Tibetan Buddhist manner of reckoning, which you will no doubt be somewhat familiar with as a former student of CTR.
My comment was referring to the fact that there are different ways to deal with the afflictions - some take longer, some are quicker -but the most important thing is that we do our best and find something that works for us.
So if you're happy pursuing your path, the real answer to "what next" is more of the same - and hopefully over time we get better and better at applying what we know.
If you're not satisfied with this approach at any point, it is always possible to look for a teacher who can guide us more directly through their lineage, wisdom & experience. Of course, this isn't so easy either, as there are so many different teachers from outright charlatans to living Buddhas. I'm sure you've heard it said that the faster paths also have more risk as well - so we're very fortunate as followers of the Buddha that there are different paths for our different proclivities - none necessarily better than another when seen from the POV of an individual aspirant.
So I wish you the very best whatever you do. If you have peace, happiness and satisfaction and signs/assurance that the path is working, there is nothing really to change. If that's not the case, we live in a time where somehow it's possible to meet many different kinds of teachings & teachers. So it's always possible to seek one out.
This is what I did. I was a fundamentalist X-tian for many years, and was happy until I was faced with some real problems and issues. It was plain to me at that point, that my path simply wasn't working - or based on anything I could rely on or take refuge in.
I went through the very painful process in a very short time, of losing all of my cherished beliefs and ideals - literally everything was gone. Since I was fully invested in this path and process, I lost everything - including most of my relationships and friends.
At that point I was completely finished with teachings and paths, and decided I'd never again believe anything just because someone said it, etc. etc.
Funny enough, it was right around this time that I met my main teacher. Sometimes, this is how these things work and we don't find our path until we're free to do so. As long as I was giving time of day to the cult I was part of, it wasn't possible. The way I deal with the afflictions is to apply the teachings and instructions of my teacher(s) to the best of my ability. I'm now very grateful for the process I went through as it brought me from a place where I really had nothing to take refuge in, to being able to fully trust and take refuge in Buddha, Dharma and Sangha. I can tell you without any deceit at all, that these three have never, ever, let me down. Not even when the going gets tough.
So how fortunate for you that you already found the teachings of the Buddha. But remember you're free, and if at the age of 50 (Very close to my age BTW) you want more, wonder what is next, you have lots of wonderful options and possibilities by virtue of the fact that through the wisdom of the Buddha, there isn't a "one-size fit's all" idea at all - except in sectarian situations - and it's possible, at least right now for the time being, to seek out a path that is meaningful and works for us. All of them can be of value, but we have to find what works for us.
Very best to you in your process.