I may have something unique to add here, being transsexual…
Do you know why the ratio is skewed?
If most women are like me, they despise arguing. There is entirely too much of that on this forum. Discussion doesn't require cantankerousness.
I may have something unique to add here, being transsexual…
I'm a woman and enjoy arguing as a child my pro-women parents encouraged me to debate vigorously and be confident. Girls are socialized to be helpful and put the needs of others before them. Boys are socialized to win and be competitive not cooperative.Thundering Cloud wrote: ↑Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:07 pm
I may have something unique to add here, being transsexual…
Do you know why the ratio is skewed?
If most women are like me, they despise arguing. There is entirely too much of that on this forum. Discussion doesn't require cantankerousness.
That's exactly it.rory wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:22 amI'm a woman and enjoy arguing as a child my pro-women parents encouraged me to debate vigorously and be confident. Girls are socialized to be helpful and put the needs of others before them. Boys are socialized to win and be competitive not cooperative.Thundering Cloud wrote: ↑Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:07 pm
I may have something unique to add here, being transsexual…
Do you know why the ratio is skewed?
If most women are like me, they despise arguing. There is entirely too much of that on this forum. Discussion doesn't require cantankerousness.
gassho
Rory
I would not generalize but you say there something.rory wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:22 amI'm a woman and enjoy arguing as a child my pro-women parents encouraged me to debate vigorously and be confident. Girls are socialized to be helpful and put the needs of others before them. Boys are socialized to win and be competitive not cooperative.Thundering Cloud wrote: ↑Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:07 pm
I may have something unique to add here, being transsexual…
Do you know why the ratio is skewed?
If most women are like me, they despise arguing. There is entirely too much of that on this forum. Discussion doesn't require cantankerousness.
gassho
Rory
Ironically contentious.Thundering Cloud wrote: ↑Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:07 pmI may have something unique to add here, being transsexual…
Do you know why the ratio is skewed?
If most women are like me, they despise arguing. There is entirely too much of that on this forum. Discussion doesn't require cantankerousness.
I think muni is right that I was over-generalizing just a tad. But my words aren't starting any arguments that can't be swiftly finished without hard feelings. And I think that's important to strive for.Daizan wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 6:55 pmIronically contentious.Thundering Cloud wrote: ↑Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:07 pmI may have something unique to add here, being transsexual…
Do you know why the ratio is skewed?
If most women are like me, they despise arguing. There is entirely too much of that on this forum. Discussion doesn't require cantankerousness.
And others suspect that it's because women are less interested in enlightenment. We don't know which is true. We don't have any evidence to support an argument either way.Thundering Cloud wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 7:36 pmI think muni is right that I was over-generalizing just a tad. But my words aren't starting any arguments that can't be swiftly finished without hard feelings. And I think that's important to strive for.Daizan wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 6:55 pmIronically contentious.Thundering Cloud wrote: ↑Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:07 pm
I may have something unique to add here, being transsexual…
Do you know why the ratio is skewed?
If most women are like me, they despise arguing. There is entirely too much of that on this forum. Discussion doesn't require cantankerousness.
Put a different way, I think the gender ratio on this forum is skewed because it is not a very welcoming place for women. That doesn't need to be the case..
Is that what you think? Honestly?Daizan wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 8:24 pmAnd others suspect that it's because women are less interested in enlightenment. We don't know which is true. We don't have any evidence to support an argument either way.Thundering Cloud wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 7:36 pmI think muni is right that I was over-generalizing just a tad. But my words aren't starting any arguments that can't be swiftly finished without hard feelings. And I think that's important to strive for.
Put a different way, I think the gender ratio on this forum is skewed because it is not a very welcoming place for women. That doesn't need to be the case..
I’ve been to many different Buddhist temples and groups, and the rule is that men are always more abundant. Even in my immediate relashionships, like that of my longtime girlfriend, I’ve been interested in enlightenment for many year and practice, whereas she has only a moderate interest, if that.Thundering Cloud wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 8:40 pmIs that what you think? Honestly?Daizan wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 8:24 pmAnd others suspect that it's because women are less interested in enlightenment. We don't know which is true. We don't have any evidence to support an argument either way.Thundering Cloud wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 7:36 pm
I think muni is right that I was over-generalizing just a tad. But my words aren't starting any arguments that can't be swiftly finished without hard feelings. And I think that's important to strive for.
Put a different way, I think the gender ratio on this forum is skewed because it is not a very welcoming place for women. That doesn't need to be the case..
There is a grain of truth here.The pressures placed upon men and women are different from the get-go.Daizan wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 9:36 pmI’ve been to many different Buddhist temples and groups, and the rule is that men are always more abundant. Even in my immediate relashionships, like that of my longtime girlfriend, I’ve been interested in enlightenment for many year and practice, whereas she has only a moderate interest, if that.
If you find the idea that women are less interested shocking, why? There could be many reasons why women could be less interested. A contributing factor could be the story of the Buddha himself. He abandon his family to seek enlightenment. His wife stayed home. This might signal that it’s a dude thing, or the story could be expressing some kind of archetypical truth.
Perhaps I am projecting, but this is the reason I have not participated more in this forum in the past. Maybe I'm an outlier? I hate arguing. I have felt pushed away from this forum before.TharpaChodron wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 12:05 am I don't think this forum is unwelcoming to women at all. And most of the practitioners at the places I go in the US <California to be exact) are women, although I don't have real proof of that. Like others said, I don't think women are less interested in enlightenment or Buddhism, but often the priorities set before them by dominant cultural norms are raising children and that consumes a lot of time one might otherwise spend meditating, reading books, practicing and chatting on online forums etc.
I wonder because I don’t know the truth of the matter and I value truth. Also, I have no desire to believe one way or the other. If there were definitive studies done that showed men are less interested in enlightenment than women it wouldn’t bother me at all. I can’t imagine why it would.Thundering Cloud wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 12:25 amThere is a grain of truth here.The pressures placed upon men and women are different from the get-go.Daizan wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 9:36 pmI’ve been to many different Buddhist temples and groups, and the rule is that men are always more abundant. Even in my immediate relashionships, like that of my longtime girlfriend, I’ve been interested in enlightenment for many year and practice, whereas she has only a moderate interest, if that.
If you find the idea that women are less interested shocking, why? There could be many reasons why women could be less interested. A contributing factor could be the story of the Buddha himself. He abandon his family to seek enlightenment. His wife stayed home. This might signal that it’s a dude thing, or the story could be expressing some kind of archetypical truth.
I do not find the idea that women are less interested shocking -- I find it false. There isn't any question about it for me; why do you still wonder about it?
I try to follow the no-arguing policy....Thundering Cloud wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 12:27 amPerhaps I am projecting, but this is the reason I have not participated more in this forum in the past. Maybe I'm an outlier? I hate arguing. I have felt pushed away from this forum before.TharpaChodron wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 12:05 am I don't think this forum is unwelcoming to women at all. And most of the practitioners at the places I go in the US <California to be exact) are women, although I don't have real proof of that. Like others said, I don't think women are less interested in enlightenment or Buddhism, but often the priorities set before them by dominant cultural norms are raising children and that consumes a lot of time one might otherwise spend meditating, reading books, practicing and chatting on online forums etc.
Even if the main focus of conversations here were primarily arguing or debates, I don't feel that is hostile or unwelcoming to women or people in general. Like if I were to go to a poker game and I don't play poker.Thundering Cloud wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 12:27 amPerhaps I am projecting, but this is the reason I have not participated more in this forum in the past. Maybe I'm an outlier? I hate arguing. I have felt pushed away from this forum before.TharpaChodron wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 12:05 am I don't think this forum is unwelcoming to women at all. And most of the practitioners at the places I go in the US <California to be exact) are women, although I don't have real proof of that. Like others said, I don't think women are less interested in enlightenment or Buddhism, but often the priorities set before them by dominant cultural norms are raising children and that consumes a lot of time one might otherwise spend meditating, reading books, practicing and chatting on online forums etc.
Don't you know?Daizan wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 12:36 amI wonder because I don’t know the truth of the matter and I value truth. Also, I have no desire to believe one way or the other. If there were definitive studies done that showed men are less interested in enlightenment than women it wouldn’t bother me at all. I can’t imagine why it would.Thundering Cloud wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 12:25 amThere is a grain of truth here.The pressures placed upon men and women are different from the get-go.Daizan wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 9:36 pm
I’ve been to many different Buddhist temples and groups, and the rule is that men are always more abundant. Even in my immediate relashionships, like that of my longtime girlfriend, I’ve been interested in enlightenment for many year and practice, whereas she has only a moderate interest, if that.
If you find the idea that women are less interested shocking, why? There could be many reasons why women could be less interested. A contributing factor could be the story of the Buddha himself. He abandon his family to seek enlightenment. His wife stayed home. This might signal that it’s a dude thing, or the story could be expressing some kind of archetypical truth.
I do not find the idea that women are less interested shocking -- I find it false. There isn't any question about it for me; why do you still wonder about it?
In our short dialogue you’ve accused me of dishonesty and now heartlessness, and all the while claiming that men are more contentious. Curious.Thundering Cloud wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:54 amDon't you know?Daizan wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 12:36 amI wonder because I don’t know the truth of the matter and I value truth. Also, I have no desire to believe one way or the other. If there were definitive studies done that showed men are less interested in enlightenment than women it wouldn’t bother me at all. I can’t imagine why it would.Thundering Cloud wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 12:25 am
There is a grain of truth here.The pressures placed upon men and women are different from the get-go.
I do not find the idea that women are less interested shocking -- I find it false. There isn't any question about it for me; why do you still wonder about it?
Do you need studies? Where is your heart?
Just ignore those posts and threads. Participate or read the ones you choose.Thundering Cloud wrote: ↑Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:07 pmI may have something unique to add here, being transsexual…
Do you know why the ratio is skewed?
If most women are like me, they despise arguing. There is entirely too much of that on this forum. Discussion doesn't require cantankerousness.
I apologize; have I been mean to you?Daizan wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:28 amIn our short dialogue you’ve accused me of dishonesty and now heartlessness, and all the while claiming that men are more contentious. Curious.Thundering Cloud wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:54 amDon't you know?Daizan wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 12:36 am
I wonder because I don’t know the truth of the matter and I value truth. Also, I have no desire to believe one way or the other. If there were definitive studies done that showed men are less interested in enlightenment than women it wouldn’t bother me at all. I can’t imagine why it would.
Do you need studies? Where is your heart?