Re: Obtaining a specific rebirth as a transgender
Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 6:10 pm
Where did you get the idea that you would be entering eternal blackness? No one is saying anything like that.
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From Reflections on a Mountain Lake, p163:Tenzin Palmo said:
I then told my master that I wanted to become a Togdenma. He was so happy. He said he’d been praying I would re-establish this order. However, when the monks heard about the project, they declared, ‘a woman is not going to live with the Togden.’ And so, I had to renounce.” She was the only nun in the middle of about a hundred monks. “I made the vow to be reborn in the feminine form until I attained enlightenment.
Understanding rebirth gives us power over the future because we can direct things in this lifetime the way we want them to be in the future. This consciousness will keep going. The vows we take in this lifetime will continue to bear fruit in future lifetimes. Of course, from a Buddhist point of view, we can question the actor is. But right now we are talking on the relative plane.
Simon E. wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2019 10:59 amThis might be seen as a cold response to your pain, but believe me it isn’t. You again refer to being ‘reincarnated as a women’. The Buddhas Dharma cannot help you with this ambition for a number of reasons, the main one being that Buddhism does not teach reincarnation in the sense that you are using the term. What you are suggesting is that there is a core being an ‘atta’ which takes different bodies in birth after birth. But Buddhadharma says something quite different. It says that our bodies our impulses our senses our will our intentions all arise dependently and have no permanence and are ultimately the cause of suffering if clung to.
So actually your state of limbo, without downplaying it for you, could be the motivation needed to see through the whole embodied thing once and for all and find true freedom.
Simon E. wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2019 7:00 pmIt may be that Tenzin Palmo has attained sufficiently to make such a vow meaningfully, although I wonder to what degree she is making a political statement. However that is not an option open to most of us who do not live lives of monastic discipline, we can make as many vows as we want we are in the absence of prolonged and one pointedness of practice unlikely to alter the general direction of our conscious stream. And most importantly it does not alter the fact that we have no ‘atta’ which is ‘reincarnated’ in any sense analogous to the Hindu understanding..
If;>Where did you get the idea that you would be entering eternal blackness? No one is saying anything like that.
I take this to mean I won't be perceiving these future bodies and will instead perceive eternal blackness.>The Buddhas Dharma cannot help you with this ambition for a number of reasons, the main one being that Buddhism does not teach reincarnation in the sense that you are using the term. What you are suggesting is that there is a core being an ‘atta’ which takes different bodies in birth after birth
Years ago, after reading some of Crowley's 'Yoga for Yahoos,' I was laying in bed one morning, trying to go to sleep after a wasted night on the internet, and I heard the clock on the wall chime. For the briefest of moments, I felt identical to the clock. But I and the clock were still both there - it was like a new meta-being had formed by our fusion.>Nature if described is innate knowing. Realized person would be someone who has completely removed arising of subject versus object division.
But if I won't be perceiving these future bodies, what's the point?>Well, Tenzin Palmo has made the vow to be reborn in a female form until she attains enlightenment. I don't see why Agdistis cannot make a similar vow. Quite frankly, I support any reason to practice the dharma
So we won't be perceiving these future bodies and lifes? If we don't enter into eternal blackness and we don't perceive these future lifes, what do we perceive after death?>And most importantly it does not alter the fact that we have no ‘atta’ which is ‘reincarnated’ in any sense analogous to the Hindu understanding..
Well, I think I have my answer. And honestly, I don't think they could help me either.This site is not the place for this.
Please try to find help from a qualified professional.