Simon E. wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:30 am
TrimePema wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 19, 2019 2:53 am
Matt J wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 19, 2019 1:21 am
Your posts on this thread follow a familiar pattern. Some one talks about an experience they've had, sharing it with others. You post modest praise, followed by a BUT "this is what the real path is," consisting of essentially becoming a Buddha (abiding in dharmakaya is a synonym for enlightenment BTW) and then a lot of specific instruction. Not a "this is what I do," or "my teacher said," you are personally assuming the role of a teacher and directing people. People who for the most part have actual teachers and have practiced for a long time.
So when some one believes that they can direct some one away from these practices toward ultimate practice, with specific pieces of advice, they are either realized, lineage holders, or posers. Quite frankly, online nearly 99.99995 of the time, it is the latter. Some of your advice strikes me as good and much of it strikes me as bad and contradicts the few actual teachers who teach dream yoga, (i.e. such as Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche, Namkhai Norbu, etc.) So I am asking the source of your authority.
It would be nice if on this board, instead of always criticizing, we just rested from time to time in sympathetic joy of the practice of others.
Let’s not have a dispute.
Then listen to what Matt says. I don’t know what your intention is, but I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that it’s positive. But he is correct. You come over as superior and as a know-all. At various points in this thread you directly contradict authentic Dream Yoga instructions given by an actual teacher while implying that you know better. You don’t.
So if you don’t want a dispute I suggest that you reflect a little before posting again.
Where do I contradict the instructions?
EDIT: At this point I'd like an explanation as to what you and Matt are thinking I said that's contradictory so I can correct it in the future.
I do see that my posts could use more citations (I guess?) but the concept is so simple and basic to all levels of meditation and Buddhist practice so I'm not sure why it would be necessary to have citations. I don't read ChNN's books or TWR's, although I've seen some videos by them about dream yoga a few years ago, and like I said studied a little bit with Andrew. Andrew, btw, is the one who first told me that lucidity should be used for dreamless sleep.
My intention in mentioning these things (journaling info, daytime practices, how one might be able to use lucidity to stabilize awareness) is just reminding people that dream yoga is not actually about having nice dreams like suddenly appearing in a buddhafield with all your friends and family or meeting famous lamas or defeating imaginary rudras, flying, receiving explanations, or making whatever else you might want to happen in your dreams. While those things might feel good, dream yoga is about stabilizing awareness. This is what Andrew said to me as well as what my own Lama has echoed.
Of course there are different levels to dream yoga. TWR says at the beginning one should just go to sleep while meditating or even just holding a beneficial intention. I think he said "whatever you are doing when you go to sleep will continue throughout your sleep." There are all the things you do to become lucid, and then there is what to do with lucidity.
There are elaborate practices one can do in dreams with lucidity, for sure, like kyerim, which would be 9x (per ChNN) more effective than doing it in your waking life. If one does kyerim in a dream, one might find that during the dissolution stage of that practice the dream dissolves into deep dreamless sleep anyway, and abiding in that becomes the practice. It's also possible to cut straight to that, which is the unelaborate use of lucidity (and it's worth mentioning that there are a lot of traps with trying to do kyerim in your dreams - 9x more traps than waking mind), and this unelaborate use of lucidity accomplishes the same thing in the end (IME easier as well).