Killing Insects and Buddhism

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Re: Killing Insects and Buddhism

Post by DNS » Sun Oct 23, 2011 11:05 pm

All intentional killing results in negative karma. But the weight and effect is different, mostly by size.

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Re: Killing Insects and Buddhism

Post by Merely Labeled » Mon Oct 24, 2011 4:47 am

Great thread. Last year we had two rats coming each night onto the rooftop. We caught them in cages and put them out in a field nearby. The only thing was that we had to catch them separately. If they were a couple (it looked very much so), they might have lost contact afterwards. :rolling:

I support a street dog since August. Amazing what experiences and challenges come with it. He clearly was a pet dog at some point and was put out on the streets. Wish my family would support me more in this. He is quite big and everybody is scared of him. Let`s see how this adventure goes on.


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Re: Killing Insects and Buddhism

Post by Rakz » Tue Oct 25, 2011 8:22 am

David N. Snyder wrote:All intentional killing results in negative karma. But the weight and effect is different, mostly by size.

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"killing an animal is a far less serious offence (Pacittiya 62), on a par with insulting someone, idle chatter and having a non-regulation size sitting mat."

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Re: Killing Insects and Buddhism

Post by edearl » Fri Oct 28, 2011 4:00 pm

:offtopic: Is there a Buddhist position on killing microbes, such as bacteria, algae, viruses, etc.
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Re: Killing Insects and Buddhism

Post by Dechen Norbu » Fri Oct 28, 2011 6:26 pm

Well, I think those beings aren't considered sentient. If memory doesn't fail me, Buddha spoke of beings as small as a grain of mustard. We don't need to be literal here, but I doubt we can apply our concept of sentience to bacteria and other microorganisms. Besides, we don't have much of a choice, have we? ;)

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Re: Killing Insects and Buddhism

Post by Karma Dondrup Tashi » Fri Oct 28, 2011 7:07 pm

I thought the definition of sentience was something is sentient if it is moving around. Although I guess that is kind of useless since nothing is ever still, even atoms.
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Re: Killing Insects and Buddhism

Post by ronnewmexico » Fri Oct 28, 2011 7:22 pm my take anything that may be able to suffer..usually that means anything with some type of aversion or attachment response, something that eats and avoids in some manner discomfort.

Trees for instance are not thought of as being suffering things.
Maybe they are but most say no.

As a aside I do this though it makes not much sense(I also sing dharma songs to cows and things :smile: ) consider the source.

I care not if I don't intend to kill but kill(the things suffer) weeding out a garden or some such driving killing some is said that if a being hears the name of buddha ratnaketu upon their dying they will enter as consequence upon rebirth this place of purity a pureland. So if I do such things even unintentionally I will say this name so they may have a fortunate rebirth.
If I kill a larger animal I will do powah if I may.....squirrels and all sorts of things are ending up in purelands and it is me sending them there... :rolling:
I wonder if they wonder how come that place is getting so crowded :smile:

Anyway it is the least I can do...consequence upon me as it is not intended..... my consequence is always present and undeniable.... it is my sorrow for creating their fearful death. That there is no consequence is in error to my opinion even if not consciously intended things.
I intend its continuance by not becoming enlightened and thusly continuing to participate in this place where things may kill and be is all intentional to my opinion.....we must work to not participate in this fashion and become enlightened.

Otherwise we intend it but in subtle fashion.
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