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Bön Dzogchen

Post by kalden yungdrung » Sun Aug 01, 2010 11:47 pm

Tashi Delek, :)

We know in Bön a few Dzogchen lineages:

Dzogchen
Zhang Zhung Nyen Gyud
A Khrid
Yetri Thasel

They were teached by Buddha Tönpa Shenrab Miwoche.

All in all is Bön herewith rich on Dzogchen lineages with a very old 18.000 years tradition.

Must say that all Dzogchen does not stem from Tibet.

Nyingma Dzogchen sytems from India and was spread by Garab Dorje or Prahevajra
Bon Dzogchen stems from Ta zhig and finally form Iran.
Bon Dzogchen like the ZZNG is written in the native old Zhang Zhung language whereas Nyingma Dzogchen is written in Sanskrit. This means that ZZNG is older then the Nyungma Dzogchen form India.
Prahevajra was born not long after the Paranirvana from the Buddha Shakyamuni.
That would mean that Nyingma Dzogchen was not teached by the Buddha Shakyamuni.


Best wishes with your personal practice

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Re: Bön Dzogchen

Post by Luke » Mon Aug 02, 2010 5:47 pm

kalden yungdrung wrote:
Bon Dzogchen stems from Ta zhig and finally form Iran.
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Does this mean that most Bonpo believe that Tonpa Shenrab Miwoche lived in what is now Iran? If so, are there still Bon holy sites in Iran?

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Re: Bön Dzogchen

Post by kalden yungdrung » Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:44 pm

Luke wrote:
Mon Aug 02, 2010 5:47 pm
kalden yungdrung wrote:
Bon Dzogchen stems from Ta zhig and finally form Iran.
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Does this mean that most Bonpo believe that Tonpa Shenrab Miwoche lived in what is now Iran? If so, are there still Bon holy sites in Iran?


Tashi delek,

Below John gives a good interpretation about the origin of Bön.
Bön stems accordingly from Olmo Lungrig, or also known as Shambala with its Kalachakra Tradition.
As far as i know, does not the Kalachakra Tantra not belong to the Buddhist "Tantras", but i could be wrong.....
Kalachakra Tantra is famous for its independent time calculations, all in all a very precious Tantra.

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By
John Reynolds


According to the Bönpo tradition:

Although Yungdrung Bön is eternal and without an ultimate beginning in time, it originated in the present kalpa or cycle of existence in the country of Olmo Lungring where Tönpa Shenrab descended from the celestial spheres and took up incarnation among human beings as an Iranian prince. The mysterious land of Olmo Lungring (`ol-mo lung-rings) or Olmoling (`ol-mo`i gling) is said to be part of a larger geographical region to the northwest of Tibet called Tazig (stag-gzig, var. rtag-gzigs), which scholars identify with Iran or, more properly, Central Asia where in ancient times Iranian languages such as Avestan and later Sogdian were spoken.

According to the “gZer-mig” the traditional etymology of the name Olmo Lungring is as follows: “`ol” means “unborn”, “mo” “undermined”, “lung” “the prophetic words of Shenrab”, and “rings” “everlasting compassion”. According to the “gZi-brjid”, Olmo Lungring was also known as Shambhala in Sanskrit and it continues to be known by this name among Tibetan Buddhists even today. Moreover, it is said that in ancient times it encompassed fully one-third of the known world a statement which could apply to the historical Persian empire.

Some modern scholars attempt to identify Olmo Lungring with the area around mount Kailash in West Tibet, anciently known as Zhang-zhung, and assert that the holy nine-storeyed mountain in the center of Olmoling is in fact Mount Kailas. These scholars assert that Olmo is quite an ordinary place like other valleys in Tibet and that the name Olmo Lungring simply means “the long valley of Olmo”.

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