Authenticity of a Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche Quote

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Re: Authenticity of a Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche Quote

Post by Paul » Mon Sep 21, 2015 8:33 pm

Garudavista wrote:Also, I just sent an email to TWR to ask him about the quote in question, and I'll post his response as soon as I hear back from him.
Awesome. I'm looking forward to his response.
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Re: Authenticity of a Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche Quote

Post by kalden yungdrung » Wed Nov 11, 2015 9:06 pm

Tashi delek G,


Well it was some time ago since you did sent Tenzin Wangyal a message about that Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche has said that only about 1% of disciples will recognize actual rigpa.

- Did you get already a reply from this master ?

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Re: Authenticity of a Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche Quote

Post by Garudavista » Thu Nov 12, 2015 2:39 am

kalden yungdrung wrote:Tashi delek G,


Well it was some time ago since you did sent Tenzin Wangyal a message about that Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche has said that only about 1% of disciples will recognize actual rigpa.

- Did you get already a reply from this master ?

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No. I haven't heard back from him.

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Re: Authenticity of a Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche Quote

Post by kalden yungdrung » Thu Nov 12, 2015 7:28 am

Garudavista wrote:
kalden yungdrung wrote:Tashi delek G,


Well it was some time ago since you did sent Tenzin Wangyal a message about that Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche has said that only about 1% of disciples will recognize actual rigpa.

- Did you get already a reply from this master ?

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No. I haven't heard back from him.

Tashi delek G,

Thanks for your quick reply.

Well then we can assume that it takes a little longer in time to get a reply from TW, or maybe you never would get an answer.

Also questionable about this 1% would be if this are his students or students in general who cannot understand after the direct introduction, their Natural State.

Also interesting to know would be where and to whom did TW proclaimed this all.

Lopon Tenzin Namdak`s students don`t have a problem with recognizing their Natural State after the direct introduction.
To maintain that State, that is everywhere the same problem, in all Dzogchen lineages worldwide.

But anyway i never heard about a Dzogchen teacher that he was claiming on a certain rate , regarding the recognizing of the Natural State, of his students.

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Re: Authenticity of a Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche Quote

Post by kalden yungdrung » Tue Jul 12, 2016 8:48 am

Garudavista wrote:I've read in a few threads that supposedly Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche has said that only about 1% of disciples will recognize actual rigpa. Does anyone know if this is true, and if it is true, what is its source?

It doesn't seem like something he would say. But if it is something he has said, I would like to read it in its full context.

Tashi delek G,

By the way , already got an answer from the head office in Crestone (USA) ?

Am very curious about the answer from this master .........


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Re: Authenticity of a Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche Quote

Post by BuddhaFollower » Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:43 pm

One only realizes the full measure of rigpa on the 3rd vision.
Just recognize the conceptualizing mind.

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Re: Authenticity of a Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche Quote

Post by kalden yungdrung » Wed Jul 13, 2016 3:26 pm

BuddhaFollower wrote:One only realizes the full measure of rigpa on the 3rd vision.

Tashi delek BF,

Yes i have heard that many times, that only a Dzogchen teacher is professional if he/she has obtained this 3rd vision.
But how can we cheque if a Dzogchenpa has obtained this level ?

One can have problems regarding these (3rd visions) investigations, if one is a beginner in Dzogchen matters etc.

- In what light can i understand your message here ? (related to the topic)


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Re: Authenticity of a Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche Quote

Post by BuddhaFollower » Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:38 pm

KY,

The topic was about what percentage realizes rigpa.

The answer is that the full measure of rigpa is realized on the 3rd vision.
Just recognize the conceptualizing mind.

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Re: Authenticity of a Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche Quote

Post by kalden yungdrung » Fri Jul 15, 2016 11:50 am

BuddhaFollower wrote:KY,

The topic was about what percentage realizes rigpa.

The answer is that the full measure of rigpa is realized on the 3rd vision.

Tashi delek BF,

Yes to be able to recognise Rigpa or someone's Natural State, that is sure possible, like in the first vision, the start in Dzogchen , after the direct introduction.
That is where TW is pointing to.

I guess we do not speak here about the full measure of realisation regarding Rigpa of the students of TW, e.g. the 3rd Vision.
If there is somebody in Bön Dzogchen who did obtain that level, that would be Lopon Tenzin Namdak Rinpoche.

There are only few Dzogchen Masters in our world who can claim that they have mastered the 3rd Vision, then not to speak of the(ir) many Dzogchenpa students, who did not obtain that level.

The prove for these Dzogchen realistaions like the visions, can be mostly seen at the moment where the Mind leaves the physical body, result is one of the 3 Rainbow Bodies.

- A good question here would be, how can the student cheque if the Dzogchen Master / Dzogchenpa, has realised the 4th,3rd, 2nd or first Vision ?

- One answer could be faultless teachings / lessons about Dzogchen.


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