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Lopön Tenzin Namdak Rinpoche

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Tashi delek Bönpos and Dzogchenpas,

This page will be a page, dedicated to the teachings of Lopön Tenzin Namdak Rinpoche, the Yongdzin and Lineage holder of many Bön Dzogchen cycles.

The most topics are related to Bön Dzogchen.


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Re: Lopön Tenzin Namdka Rinpoche

Postby kalden yungdrung » Sat Jan 23, 2016 10:34 am

DEVOTION
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Lopön Tenzin Namdak Rinpoche:
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If your devotion is strong enough,
He is certainly there.

All the Buddhas promised this: I will be in front of everybody whose devotion is deep enough.
This promise was made by the Buddhas, not made up by human beings like me.

You can trust it.

______________________

Devotion is
the door to Liberation.
Devotion is the core
of Guru Yoga / Lama Näldjor.

KY.
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Re: Lopön Tenzin Namdak Rinpoche

Postby tingdzin » Mon Feb 01, 2016 7:30 am

Since no one else has commented, I feel compelled to offer respect and gratitude to Yongdzin Rinpoche as one of very few exiled Tibetans who has worked tirelessly and fruitfully to ensure the survival of the Bon tradition.

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Re: Lopön Tenzin Namdak Rinpoche

Postby kalden yungdrung » Thu Feb 04, 2016 10:37 pm

tingdzin wrote:Since no one else has commented, I feel compelled to offer respect and gratitude to Yongdzin Rinpoche as one of very few exiled Tibetans who has worked tirelessly and fruitfully to ensure the survival of the Bon tradition.



Tashi delek T,

Indeed the Yongdzin Rinpoche and His Holiness the 33rd Trizin Rinpoche, did spread Bön in our western world.
Both fled from Tibet to Nepal - India.

Lopön Tenzin Namdak was captured and tortured by the Chinese, but he could escape due to karma.

But without the help of others, their work in spreading Yungdrung Bön and Bön Sarma, their task would not be easy.

Here , imo some important persons who did assist and helped His Holiness and Lopön la.

Professor Snelgroove, Per Kaverne (Oslo University), Samten Karmay (translations and interpretations), Jean Luc Achard (Sorbonne Paris),
Prof. Henk Bleezer ( University Leiden / the Netherlands), Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche ( also Professor), Vajranatha / John Reynolds, Dmitri Ermakov and wife (Transcribers), Professor Gene Smith ( who did help in the digitizing of Bön Tangyur and Kangyur and Buddhist scriptures
http://www.egenesmith.org/?paged=2, Tenzin Namgyal from the USA.

There are for sure more persons who did help on their way,

Anyway am glad that this old tradition was and is spread in the western world, due to the effort of all above mentioned persons, it did benefit me in this live.

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Re: Lopön Tenzin Namdak Rinpoche

Postby kalden yungdrung » Sat Mar 19, 2016 10:22 am

Question:
How do you know that a thought is a dual appearance?

Lopön Tenzin Namdak Rinpoche:
That becomes clear from having experience with the Nature. When you experience the Nature (in one`s Natural State), then you can see clearly without subject and object. Things are coming up spontaneously without that there is a subject and object.

Then these thoughts are liberated into the Nature from which they came.

According to the Dzogchen view every consciousness is a dual consciousness (Shespa).
Subject and object are always there because all of the different kind of consciousness grasp (Dzinpa) something. There is conception.

Further are thoughts not coming from beyond the Nature. Thoughts are coming up from the Nature, arising into the Nature. That means that thoughts and the Nature are not at all separate. The thoughts themselves are Nature, the empty Nature. If you THINKthat something is there, concretely or materially, then more thoughts will develop.

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Annotation:
Thoughts , visions and sounds are of an empty Nature.
If one hears a sound then we can realise easy that this sound has an empty Nature, it comes up, stays and disappears (in Nature).

So are the visions, sounds and thoughts they are from the same emptiness.
To realise this one can ring a Tibetan bowl then one can easy realise that a sound is empty or its Nature is empty.
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Re: Lopön Tenzin Namdak Rinpoche

Postby kalden yungdrung » Tue Aug 23, 2016 12:46 pm

Question:
If two persons are both in the Natural state, do they recognize each other in that state, or is it one state they are in together?

Answer:

If, for example, two men stay in the Dark Room, the visions that one of them has are never seen by the other one. He can explain something to the other, he sees it clearly by himself, but his explanations are like stories to the other. The other sees nothing. The Nature, as I always say, is connected to the individual, it is not common. The general explanations of the Natural state in Dzogchen are very general indeed. It does not at all mean that there is one Nature that sends rays to the other beings, or something like this.

There is a school that says like this, and Dzogchen is often mistaken in that way. But all the descriptions of things you may experience in the Natural state are indeed very general, and they don't help very much, if you don't have had that particular experience yourself. In general these descriptions fly very high and don't come directly to the person, which is the reason one cannot know at all what the individual person experiences.

Even if you look into the space, as I said, and see some threads or spots or lines, and point them out to the next person, he will not see it. Because that is the type of vision which is connected to the Natural state spontaneously. It shows itself by the visions. And when the visions are already there, what we need to do is develop them and use them properly. They are not created newly at all.

This is the Nature.

The Nature is the Nature, the visions are the Nature, and what we need to do is to use it properly.
It is the same as the fact that we are very deeply integrated with the Natural state, and we are still not knowing, and we go to hell, we suffer, many things. It does not help us at all. The fault is not knowing it. It does not mean you don't have it. You do have the Natural state perfectly well, but if you don't realize it, it does not help at all. That shows the individual Nature is.
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Re: Lopön Tenzin Namdak Rinpoche

Postby kalden yungdrung » Fri Sep 09, 2016 3:10 pm

Question:
How do we know if a thought is a dual appearance?

Answer:
That becomes clear from having experience with the Nature.
When you experience Nature, then you can see clearly without subject and object.
Things are coming up spontaneously without that there is a subject and object.
Then these visions are liberated into the Nature from which where they came from.
THOUGH A MAN BE LEARNED
IF HE DOES NOT APPLY HIS KNOWLEDGE
HE RESEMBLES THE BLIND MAN
WHO WITH A LAMP IN THE HAND CANNOT SEE THE ROAD

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Re: Lopön Tenzin Namdak Rinpoche

Postby kalden yungdrung » Fri Sep 09, 2016 8:54 pm

Question:
Many practitioners practise both Tantra, Kyerim, and Dzogchen. What can you say about the fruit in that case?


Lopon Lak:
Yes, you can't get 2 minds, sometimes this, sometimes that and in the end it makes it more difficult to reach the final goal. You are not a Dzogchenpa, not a Tantric practitioner, you are a practitioner of both. You are a special one! Because you can use both. If we are already advanced practitioners we can integrate with Sutra and Tantra, even divination and medicine etc. We are able to integrate everything.

BUT THE ESSENTIAL PRACTICE IS DZOGCHEN

Dzogchen practitioners are able to integrate with any activity - shopping, whatever, there is no problem.

Our early Masters practised Zhang Zhung Meri etc. in that way. They could obviously integrate everything, but their main practice was only Dzogchen. Some people think that from the beginning you have to do this or that, or that if you don 't first become a Tantric practitioner you can 't get Dzogchen.

But Tantra is just the taste, just the beginning; how far you have to practise, with purpose. All your life should be integrated with Tantric practice for years, years. It takes a long time, so when would you be ready for Dzogchen?


YOU DON' T NEED TO PREPARE FOR DZOGCHEN WITH TANTRA, THERE IS NOT TIME !

So if you are able to integrate any kind of activity of body, speech or mind, anything, then a Dzogchen practitioner could integrate everything very easily because it doesn't make much difference whatever you do.

Dzogchen doesn't need those other things, but maybe a specific practitioner is interested in helping others.

The whole thing. Whatever, whenever you do things, or you use consciousness and actions, that doesn't help Dzogchen.
Dzogchen is only to realize your real Nature and whether or not you are ready to do anything is up to the individual practitioner.
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Re: Lopön Tenzin Namdak Rinpoche

Postby kalden yungdrung » Fri Dec 16, 2016 1:32 pm

Tashi delek,

Like some Dzogchenpas know there are some postures, to make some Thögal practice possible.

But it can also be done without these postures, in some cases.

Mutsug Marro
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Question:
If you have a physical problem and cannot assume / practice some postures, is it still possible to practice Thögal?


Lopon La:
Sure you can. You can practice or assume the 5 pointed posture in the common way. But if you cannot remain in that posture, you can sit on a chair.
The main thing is to remain in meditation.

If the gazes and posture are comfortable, you can do whatever is possible for you.

These are all methods which you can make use of, but you can also use whatever is useful for the individual.
If it is too difficult but you still make a try, meanwhile you will loose the main point of practising and meditating, so in this case it is not useful just to take the body posture.

In case the body posture helps you to maintain the meditation, then you have to use it, then it can be helpful.
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Re: Lopön Tenzin Namdak Rinpoche

Postby kalden yungdrung » Fri Dec 16, 2016 5:53 pm

IN ADDITION:


In Bön the 5 point posture differs somehow from the 7 point posture used in Vajrayana.



In Vajrayana we know the The 7-Point Posture of Vairocana used in meditation sessions etc.

1. The back (i.e. from nape of neck to the small of the back) should be made as straight as possible - like an arrow or like a pile of coins.
2. The legs should be crossed in the vajra or bodhisattva posture (see right).
3. The hands (see below) should be folded, 4 fingers' width below the navel (not resting on the feet), the elbows slightly out. The shoulders are held up and back ('like a vulture')
4. The chin should be tucked in slightly, 'like an iron hook'.
5. The eyes (see below) should be relaxedly looking into space, at nothing in particular, somewhere about 16 fingers width in front of the nose.
6. The tongue should be held against the upper palate.
7. The lips should be slightly apart, the teeth not clenched. One breaths through the nose.

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In Bön we have only 5 - Point Posture:

1. Sitting in the cross-legged position symbolizes the Contemplation of Kunnang Khyabpa, purifies ignorance
and leads to the realization of the Wisdom of the Absolute Space free from elaborations.
2. Placing the 2 hands below the navel with the left one positioned above the right symbolizes the Contemplation of
Jedrak Ngome, purifies desire and attachment and ultimately leads to the realization of the Discriminating Wisdom.
Here the ring finger is touched by the thumb, it protects against the entering of bad entities during meditation.
3. Keeping the spine straight symbolizes the Contemplation of Selwa Rangjung, purifies hatred and aversion and
leads to the realization of the Mirror-like Wisdom.
4. Straightening the shoulders and bending the chin inwards symbolizes the Contemplation of Gelha Garchuk,
purifies pride and leads to the realization of the Wisdom of Equality.
5. Directing the eyes towards (not at) the tip of the nose whilst keeping the mouth slightly open (without the lips
touching each other) and breathing naturally symbolizes the Contemplation of Gawa Dondrup, purifies jealousy
and leads to the realization of the Wisdom of all accomplishing Actions.

Furthermore, the body should not be bent forwards or backwards, nor should you move, even slightly. Leave it as it is,
like an unmoving corpse. In this way:

- the energy of the 5 elements will be balanced
- the power of the 5 poisons will naturally be appeased
- the 5 Wisdoms will arise without effort
- the state of the 5 Buddha' s will dawn in one's continuum.
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Re: Lopön Tenzin Namdak Rinpoche

Postby kalden yungdrung » Mon Dec 19, 2016 9:02 pm

Tashi delek Dzogchenpas,

Yeh, sleeping that is what we all do, for the minimum of one third of our live.
To make this sleeping more productive for Dzogchenpas , we have to adopt a certain daily vision.

Mutsug Marro
KY.

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Question:
What are the methods to help retain Awareness while asleep ?

Lopon la:
At first, you may remember for a short time that you are sleeping and want to integrate with meditation and the Natural State,
but you very seldom realize and practise - most of the time you don't integrate with practice.

If that is the case, just before you go to sleep and just after you wake up - at those two specific times, try to get up and take one of the Postures. Choose whichever is convenient and focus on it, and any thoughts about important things are put (under control).

This is the method of how to prepare the visualization.

In the morning time and in the afternoon time and at midday -
all the time, try to remember and know
that all phenomenal existence
is as Illusion, like a dream.

You have to think this many times.

You have to visualize that all phenomenal existence is as Illusion, that it is Illusion like a dream. All types of daytime experiences - whatever appears - you have to realize they are as a dream.

That is what you have to think between the session times. You see them as dreams so there is no separation between (this) and real dreams; they are combined together.

If you are ready to practise sleeping practice then I can go.

The best practitioner can easily integrate sleep with remembering contemplation with the Natural State, but even if you can't do it easily from the beginning, do this sleeping practice many times. Just before you go to sleep, try to keep in the meditation of the
Natural State and sometimes you will be able to remember and integrate in sleep time and sometimes not - it will be half and half.

At that time, whenever you have the Experience of being able to integrate meditation and realization, try particularly to integrate for a longer and longer time. You need to have continuous determination.

If you do this continuously with determination then it will become familiar and stable. This is a very important method.

In the last stage, when you are able to integrate sleeping and the Clear Light, at that time you will have some disturbances from
spirits. Some spirits don't like practitioners very much so they will disturb you and try to tease you.
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HE RESEMBLES THE BLIND MAN
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Re: Lopön Tenzin Namdak Rinpoche

Postby KrisW » Fri Dec 23, 2016 3:52 pm

Are these these teachings/transcripts available somewhere?
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Re: Lopön Tenzin Namdak Rinpoche

Postby kalden yungdrung » Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:58 pm

RikudouSennin wrote:Are these these teachings/transcripts available somewhere?



Tashi delek R,

These transcripts are available if you join the teachings of Lopon Tenzin Namdak Rinpoche.
Lopon La is getting older, so in case you like to follow his teachings then you have to be fast.

But the transcripts from John Reynolds / Vajranatha are more public and because he is always very closed to Lopon La, his transcripts are to the point too.

Hope this helps.

Mutsuk Marro
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