Hello K Ykalden yungdrung wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:42 amhawayana gonzalez wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 2:09 amThanks Kalden, yeah, I have read the book that you mention and it is impressive. Because in my country ( Chile) there is no instructor and less a bön teacher, I have received teachings, practical instructions, advice, and many corrections etc. , via skype and by e-mails, by instructor Wojtek Plucinski, an authorized instructor by TWR and by Ani Sherab Wabgmo. And in fact for now, I am not qualified to practice thogal. I only have a couple of years of practice and I have only been a year with a methodical and daily constant contemplation. And of course, I have very clear that I will not post something that is not due, but I just clarified that I did not read a specific explanation of thogal in JLA´s The Six Lamps book ... .
Also I am not doing book-based practices without having someone qualified, such as a teacher or facilitator, who previously certifies the fact that I am qualified to do so
Tashi delek HG,
Very good that you know certain Dzogchen text that deals with Tögal.
All those text related to Thögal and Trekchöd are easy to follow by a Dzogchenpa, because of the recognition during one´s practice. Without practice , Dzogchen is more difficult to follow.
To have a help regarding all matters regarding Dzogchen , that is very good. In your situation Skype is an outcome as well forums like DW etc.
It is ok that you read books related to Thögal and Trekchöd, as preparation for the future.
The more a Dzogchenpa is doing the practice, the more the Bodhicitta is not so secret anymore like in the beginning.
Books can be a preparation for one´s practice or a help during one´s practice and they can be secret in case of very great dummies and if one is a dummy then some protection would be great, in the form of do not do this and do not do that etc.
But i guess that students with higher level of understanding are Dzogchenpas and these folks in general do not have problems with /understanding " secret" Dzogchen litereature, because their Mind is already self known / experienced to them.
I guess anyway that one never can forbid for intelligent people to read "secret" Dzogchen literature.
Many make a try to forbid but the curiosity from many say no to that and start reading secret books.
The more it is forbidden the more those books are attractive, to read.
Long time ago in Tibet one could forbid because there were no bookshops, web etc. That was effective , but nowadays with our webshop , email etc., everybody can get those "secret" books /informations.
So its up to the Dzogchenpas to obey or not to certain rules.
Therefore imo opinion to forbid this reading that is old fashion, because one CAN read it if one want.
And that does count for sure for all non Dzogchenpas who can buy such books at the corner of the street.
Lets hope that these folks do not end in the mad house
Maybe these non Dzogchenpas will become great future Dzogchenpas because the reading of these "secrets".
Know some persons who after reading of "secret" Dzogchen books became Dzogchenpas and did not end in the mad house.
Yes, i´m agree with you, finally everyone can read anything , yeah one can read anything, obey or disobey or remember the recommendations is something else. I can not (and it does not concern to me), to judge your vagaje, practice and personal understanding of the Dzogchen, but I assume that you are ok , IMO, the "delicate matter", maybe, is related to people who do not have a direct instruction, a human contact beyond books, forums, or web pages. Or even more, there are people declared by themselves as "dzogchen instructors" who can take advantage of this kind of publications, misinterpreting or accommodating to their liking or their way teachings or practices that can be explained in these texts and from that way they take to their followers by a way of misunderstandings believing syncretisms with teachings outside the Buddhadharma and in this case the Dzogchen teachings .