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Sidpa Gyalmo mantras

Post by Gandharva » Sun Sep 22, 2019 6:40 am

Greetings everyone!

Could somebody explain the diference between these two Sidpa Gyalmo mantras?

1) OM A BI YA NAG PO UE SOD SO HA

2) SO MA MA ZA NYE LO YO RAM THUN JO

:thanks:

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Re: Sidpa Gyalmo mantras

Post by Sādhaka » Sun Sep 22, 2019 7:13 am

Bön is since some years ago more open than other traditions about openly discussing higher practices and such; but when it comes to Guardian Mantras of any tradition including Bönpo ones, it seems wrong to post them on an open forum like this.

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Re: Sidpa Gyalmo mantras

Post by kalden yungdrung » Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:09 am

Gandharva wrote:
Sun Sep 22, 2019 6:40 am
Greetings everyone!

Could somebody explain the diference between these two Sidpa Gyalmo mantras?

1) OM A BI YA NAG PO UE SOD SO HA

2) SO MA MA ZA NYE LO YO RAM THUN JO

:thanks:
Tashi delek,

Know only the first protective Mantra.
The second Mantra i never have seen, until now.
The best meditation is no meditation

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Re: Sidpa Gyalmo mantras

Post by Gandharva » Mon Sep 23, 2019 4:29 am

Sādhaka wrote:
Sun Sep 22, 2019 7:13 am
Bön is since some years ago more open than other traditions about openly discussing higher practices and such; but when it comes to Guardian Mantras of any tradition including Bönpo ones, it seems wrong to post them on an open forum like this.
You can tell the heads of these Dharma Centers/monasteries (it's a small sample) they are "wrong" (?).

SO MA MA ZA NYE LO YO RAM THUN JO
viewtopic.php?t=20620

https://yeruboncenter.org/enlightened-deities/


OM A BIYA NAGPO BE SOD SO HA
https://www.olmoling.org/contents/healing_mantras

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Re: Sidpa Gyalmo mantras

Post by Gandharva » Mon Sep 23, 2019 4:44 am

kalden yungdrung wrote:
Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:09 am
Gandharva wrote:
Sun Sep 22, 2019 6:40 am
Greetings everyone!

Could somebody explain the diference between these two Sidpa Gyalmo mantras?

1) OM A BI YA NAG PO UE SOD SO HA

2) SO MA MA ZA NYE LO YO RAM THUN JO

:thanks:
Tashi delek,

Know only the first protective Mantra.
The second Mantra i never have seen, until now.
Tashi delek,

You once post the seconf mantra in this topic:

viewtopic.php?t=20620
• Sipi Gyalmo mantra - as many as possible ( SO MA MA ZA NYE LO YO RAM THUN JO)

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Re: Sidpa Gyalmo mantras

Post by kalden yungdrung » Mon Sep 23, 2019 5:42 pm

Gandharva wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 4:44 am
kalden yungdrung wrote:
Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:09 am
Gandharva wrote:
Sun Sep 22, 2019 6:40 am
Greetings everyone!

Could somebody explain the diference between these two Sidpa Gyalmo mantras?

1) OM A BI YA NAG PO UE SOD SO HA

2) SO MA MA ZA NYE LO YO RAM THUN JO

:thanks:
Tashi delek,

Know only the first protective Mantra.
The second Mantra i never have seen, until now.
Tashi delek,

You once post the seconf mantra in this topic:

viewtopic.php?t=20620
• Sipi Gyalmo mantra - as many as possible ( SO MA MA ZA NYE LO YO RAM THUN JO)
Tashi delek G,

Yes , i see.
It was mentioned earlier regarding the prayers for the Late Gyalwa H.H. the 33rd Menri Trizin Lungtok Tenpai Nyima Rinpoche.

The Mantra SO MA MA ZA NYE LO YO RAM THUN JO was published and used regarding the heavy illness of H.H. Luntok Nyima Rinpoche.
Guess the Mantra was for this special event published, in all cases i know (regarding the ritual , we use the Mantra OM ABHIYA NAG-PO RBAD SOD SWAHA.

Both Mantras can be very good as a remedy to illness specific to this time we are living in with its diseases like cancer.
Especially if added to the blessed consecrated Healing Waters which can cure cancer.
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Re: Sidpa Gyalmo mantras

Post by Tenma » Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:22 am

kalden yungdrung wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 5:42 pm
Gandharva wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 4:44 am
kalden yungdrung wrote:
Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:09 am


Tashi delek,

Know only the first protective Mantra.
The second Mantra i never have seen, until now.
Tashi delek,

You once post the seconf mantra in this topic:

viewtopic.php?t=20620
• Sipi Gyalmo mantra - as many as possible ( SO MA MA ZA NYE LO YO RAM THUN JO)
Tashi delek G,

Yes , i see.
It was mentioned earlier regarding the prayers for the Late Gyalwa H.H. the 33rd Menri Trizin Lungtok Tenpai Nyima Rinpoche.

The Mantra SO MA MA ZA NYE LO YO RAM THUN JO was published and used regarding the heavy illness of H.H. Luntok Nyima Rinpoche.
Guess the Mantra was for this special event published, in all cases i know (regarding the ritual , we use the Mantra OM ABHIYA NAG-PO RBAD SOD SWAHA.

Both Mantras can be very good as a remedy to illness specific to this time we are living in with its diseases like cancer.
Especially if added to the blessed consecrated Healing Waters which can cure cancer.
When do y'all use "So ma ma ra yo dza?" Seeing how "so ma ma za nye lo yo ram thun jo" is for serious illnesses and can be recited without lung, is there a certain "level"/"degree" for the Sidpa Gyalmo mantras? When should one use "Om Abhiya...?" When should "So Ma Ma Ra Yo Dza" be used? When should "So Ma Ma Za Nye Lo Yo Ram Thun Jo" be used (in serious conditions such as cancer?)?

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Re: Sidpa Gyalmo mantras

Post by lelopa » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:49 am

Tenma wrote:
Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:22 am
kalden yungdrung wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 5:42 pm
Gandharva wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 4:44 am


Tashi delek,

You once post the seconf mantra in this topic:

viewtopic.php?t=20620
Tashi delek G,

Yes , i see.
It was mentioned earlier regarding the prayers for the Late Gyalwa H.H. the 33rd Menri Trizin Lungtok Tenpai Nyima Rinpoche.

The Mantra SO MA MA ZA NYE LO YO RAM THUN JO was published and used regarding the heavy illness of H.H. Luntok Nyima Rinpoche.
Guess the Mantra was for this special event published, in all cases i know (regarding the ritual , we use the Mantra OM ABHIYA NAG-PO RBAD SOD SWAHA.

Both Mantras can be very good as a remedy to illness specific to this time we are living in with its diseases like cancer.
Especially if added to the blessed consecrated Healing Waters which can cure cancer.
When do y'all use "So ma ma ra yo dza?" Seeing how "so ma ma za nye lo yo ram thun jo" is for serious illnesses and can be recited without lung, is there a certain "level"/"degree" for the Sidpa Gyalmo mantras? When should one use "Om Abhiya...?" When should "So Ma Ma Ra Yo Dza" be used? When should "So Ma Ma Za Nye Lo Yo Ram Thun Jo" be used (in serious conditions such as cancer?)?



Om Abhiya.... is mantra of Yeshe Walmo Healing-Practice...
SO MA MA ... is at the end of a short Sipe Gyalmo invocation - sometimes done before this YW-practice
हूं हूं हूं
फट् फट् फट्

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Re: Sidpa Gyalmo mantras

Post by Sādhaka » Tue Sep 24, 2019 2:51 pm

Gandharva wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 4:29 am
Sādhaka wrote:
Sun Sep 22, 2019 7:13 am
Bön is since some years ago more open than other traditions about openly discussing higher practices and such; but when it comes to Guardian Mantras of any tradition including Bönpo ones, it seems wrong to post them on an open forum like this.
You can tell the heads of these Dharma Centers/monasteries (it's a small sample) they are "wrong" (?).

I’m not talking about sharing them within the walls of a Dharma center or monastery. I’m talking about sharing them on an open forum where joe six-pack can waltz in without even having to make any physical effort to do so.

Posting general Mantras/Peaceful Deity Mantras, or even Bönpo Dzogchen teachings, on forums is one thing (generally okay); but I don’t think that Guardian/Protector Mantras should be posted on an open forum.

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Re: Sidpa Gyalmo mantras

Post by kalden yungdrung » Tue Sep 24, 2019 5:12 pm

Sādhaka wrote:
Tue Sep 24, 2019 2:51 pm
Gandharva wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 4:29 am
Sādhaka wrote:
Sun Sep 22, 2019 7:13 am
Bön is since some years ago more open than other traditions about openly discussing higher practices and such; but when it comes to Guardian Mantras of any tradition including Bönpo ones, it seems wrong to post them on an open forum like this.
You can tell the heads of these Dharma Centers/monasteries (it's a small sample) they are "wrong" (?).

I’m not talking about sharing them within the walls of a Dharma center or monastery. I’m talking about sharing them on an open forum where joe six-pack can waltz in without even having to make any physical effort to do so.

Posting general Mantras/Peaceful Deity Mantras, or even Bönpo Dzogchen teachings, on forums is one thing (generally okay); but I don’t think that Guardian/Protector Mantras should be posted on an open forum.

Tashi delek,

What we see here is again that over protectionism based on that what we can meet in the most Dorje Thekpa Lineages as such.
Even an index of a "Secret" Tantra is seen as a violation etc.

Sure we can discuss here the meaning of those Mantras , without the explanation of the ritual.
Like we saw, we even can have Mantras of Yidams, without initiations etc. like in the case with the Gyalwa H.H. the 33rd Menri Trizin Lungtok Tenpai Nyima Rinpoche. And they have the same power, how can that be possible ?

So do not you worry about too much unnecessary protective secrecy here.

Guess if you were a Mod, you would close the topic, isn´t it ? :thinking:
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Re: Sidpa Gyalmo mantras

Post by Sādhaka » Tue Sep 24, 2019 7:39 pm

Tashi Delek,

Who knows, maybe you’re right.

I’m just saying that Protector Mantras are different than other Mantras.

I personally wouldn’t post Protector Mantras—even Bön ones—on an open forum.

Everyone can relate to their commitments however they want; but for me this seems like a slippery slope, because like I said Protector Mantras are different than other Mantras, even in Bön IMO.

Again, maybe you’re right and I’m not....

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Re: Sidpa Gyalmo mantras

Post by Gandharva » Tue Oct 01, 2019 10:22 am

Sādhaka wrote:
Tue Sep 24, 2019 2:51 pm
Gandharva wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 4:29 am
Sādhaka wrote:
Sun Sep 22, 2019 7:13 am
Bön is since some years ago more open than other traditions about openly discussing higher practices and such; but when it comes to Guardian Mantras of any tradition including Bönpo ones, it seems wrong to post them on an open forum like this.
You can tell the heads of these Dharma Centers/monasteries (it's a small sample) they are "wrong" (?).

I’m not talking about sharing them within the walls of a Dharma center or monastery. I’m talking about sharing them on an open forum where joe six-pack can waltz in without even having to make any physical effort to do so.

Posting general Mantras/Peaceful Deity Mantras, or even Bönpo Dzogchen teachings, on forums is one thing (generally okay); but I don’t think that Guardian/Protector Mantras should be posted on an open forum.
Again: You can tell the heads of these Dharma Centers/monasteries they are "wrong" (?). Seems you don't get it: they are OPENLY showing these mantras on their webpages and/or even teaching people how to use them. Just as another example, Lopon Tenzin Namdak Rinpoche openly taught in a book a Drenpa Namkha guru yoga that used to be secret, because he feels that some teachings don't need this secrecy anymore.

Check yourself.

Of course there are secret teachings but I checked if those mantras are EVERYWHERE before asking - I would never break samaya!

No hard feelings, but between you and the Geshes, no doubt who I will follow... :thumbsup: Anachronism is no virtue sign!

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Re: Sidpa Gyalmo mantras

Post by Sādhaka » Tue Oct 01, 2019 3:13 pm

Whose website has Guardian Mantras openly posted?

Like I implied earlier, I know that in Bön things are less secret now since Yongdzin Rinpoche’s Guru or previous Incarnation (I can’t remember the exact circumstance here) said that the Protectors revealed to him that Bön Teachings should be less secret for future generations.

But like I’d also said, I think that Guardian Mantras might be an exception here.

If you can give me an specific example of a senior Lama of Bön condoning the open dissemination of Protector Mantras, then please do. Otherwise, well, like I said maybe I’m not right and you guys are not wrong here.

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Re: Sidpa Gyalmo mantras

Post by lelopa » Wed Oct 02, 2019 12:51 pm

Gandharva wrote:
Tue Oct 01, 2019 10:22 am
......
Lopon Tenzin Namdak Rinpoche openly taught in a book a Drenpa Namkha guru yoga that used to be secret.....
in a book?!?

heart essence??
it seems this is "only" a prayer
हूं हूं हूं
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Re: Sidpa Gyalmo mantras

Post by kalden yungdrung » Wed Oct 02, 2019 4:21 pm

Sadhaka wrote:

Again: You can tell the heads of these Dharma Centers/monasteries they are "wrong" (?). Seems you don't get it: they are OPENLY showing these mantras on their webpages and/or even teaching people how to use them. Just as another example, Lopon Tenzin Namdak Rinpoche openly taught in a book a Drenpa Namkha guru yoga that used to be secret, because he feels that some teachings don't need this secrecy anymore.

Check yourself.

Of course there are secret teachings but I checked if those mantras are EVERYWHERE before asking - I would never break samaya!

No hard feelings, but between you and the Geshes, no doubt who I will follow... :thumbsup: Anachronism is no virtue sign!

Tashi delek S,

- Which book would that be from Lopon La ?
- Why is Guru Yoga used to be secret ?
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Re: Sidpa Gyalmo mantras

Post by Gandharva » Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:18 am

lelopa wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2019 12:51 pm
Gandharva wrote:
Tue Oct 01, 2019 10:22 am
......
Lopon Tenzin Namdak Rinpoche openly taught in a book a Drenpa Namkha guru yoga that used to be secret.....
in a book?!?

heart essence??
it seems this is "only" a prayer
Yes, in this book.
It's not only a prayer, it's a complete guru yoga: he explains everything in detail and even how to visualize oneself as Drenpa Namkha.

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Re: Sidpa Gyalmo mantras

Post by Gandharva » Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:33 am

kalden yungdrung wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2019 4:21 pm
Sadhaka wrote:

Again: You can tell the heads of these Dharma Centers/monasteries they are "wrong" (?). Seems you don't get it: they are OPENLY showing these mantras on their webpages and/or even teaching people how to use them. Just as another example, Lopon Tenzin Namdak Rinpoche openly taught in a book a Drenpa Namkha guru yoga that used to be secret, because he feels that some teachings don't need this secrecy anymore.

Check yourself.

Of course there are secret teachings but I checked if those mantras are EVERYWHERE before asking - I would never break samaya!

No hard feelings, but between you and the Geshes, no doubt who I will follow... :thumbsup: Anachronism is no virtue sign!

Tashi delek S,

- Which book would that be from Lopon La ?
- Why is Guru Yoga used to be secret ?
Tashi delek,

It is The Heart Essence of the Khandro.
I don't know the reason why it used to be secret, but he states that it was time to make these teachings open to benefit many more beings.

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Re: Sidpa Gyalmo mantras

Post by lelopa » Fri Oct 11, 2019 1:47 pm

Gandharva wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:18 am
lelopa wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2019 12:51 pm
Gandharva wrote:
Tue Oct 01, 2019 10:22 am
......
Lopon Tenzin Namdak Rinpoche openly taught in a book a Drenpa Namkha guru yoga that used to be secret.....
in a book?!?

heart essence??
it seems this is "only" a prayer
Yes, in this book.
It's not only a prayer, it's a complete guru yoga: he explains everything in detail and even how to visualize oneself as Drenpa Namkha.
:thanks:
found it....
हूं हूं हूं
फट् फट् फट्

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Re: Sidpa Gyalmo mantras

Post by kalden yungdrung » Fri Oct 11, 2019 6:19 pm

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