Shentong and Rangtong

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kalden yungdrung
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Shentong and Rangtong

Post by kalden yungdrung » Wed Oct 03, 2018 3:49 pm

Tashi delek J,

Like to know from one of you who is active in the Jonang Tradition the difference/ similarities between:

Rangtong and Shentong

Thanks
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Re: Shentong and Rangtong

Post by treehuggingoctopus » Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:11 pm

Straight from the horse's mouth:
http://www.jonangfoundation.org/views-practices
. . . there they saw a rock! But it wasn't a rock . . .

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Re: Shentong and Rangtong

Post by kalden yungdrung » Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:39 pm

treehuggingoctopus wrote:
Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:11 pm
Straight from the horse's mouth:
http://www.jonangfoundation.org/views-practices
Tashi delek,

Thanks for posting.

Yeh Emptiness as negation or Emptiness as creation that would be then the case here.
Emptiness as a more creative factor is very close to Dzogchen Nature, if i understood Shentong well.
Then i would easy agree to Great Madyamika more than to Prasangika Madyamika.

They say Rangtong and Shentong are like the left and right leg (of Madyamika).

Best wishes
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Re: Shentong and Rangtong

Post by oldbob » Tue Oct 30, 2018 2:46 pm

kalden yungdrung wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:39 pm
treehuggingoctopus wrote:
Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:11 pm
Straight from the horse's mouth:
http://www.jonangfoundation.org/views-practices
Tashi delek,

Thanks for posting.

Yeh Emptiness as negation or Emptiness as creation that would be then the case here.
Emptiness as a more creative factor is very close to Dzogchen Nature, if i understood Shentong well.
Then i would easy agree to Great Madyamika more than to Prasangika Madyamika.

They say Rangtong and Shentong are like the left and right leg (of Madyamika).

Best wishes
Also:

https://www.amazon.com/Ascertaining-Cer ... ref=sr_1_1

I read this many years ago but I remember that he nailed the Rangtong Shentong issues. Highly recommended.

Also highly recommend the notebooks from his lectures at Tail of the Tiger if you can find someone who was there. Not published widely. Very complete and informative. Khenpo Tsultrim Gyamso is an amazing scholar and practitioner. Received an informal DI from him. :bow: :bow: :bow:

Visited his nunneries in Nepal and was very impressed with the level of practice. I don't impress easily. Made a large donation.

:heart:

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