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Looking for good books for learning classical chinese

Post by Motova » Wed Jan 24, 2018 10:30 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2014 3:58 pm
The four means of converting beings to the Dharma are generosity (which itself as four aspects: giving material gifts, conferring fearlessness, loving kindness and teaching Dharma), pleasant speech, conduct and setting an example.

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Re: Looking for good books for learning classical chinese

Post by Coëmgenu » Sat Jan 27, 2018 12:27 pm

The fifth one listed is one that I have. It is very good but throws a lot at you fast. You will need to make a lot of use of flashcards, etc. Do you know Anki? I use it to make automated flashcards. Its pretty good.
世尊在靈山會上拈華示眾眾皆默然唯迦葉破顏微笑世尊云
The Lord dwelt at the Vulture Peak with the assembly and plucked a flower as a teaching. The myriad totality were silent, save for Kāśyapa, whose face cracked in a faint smile. The Lord spoke.

吾有正法眼藏涅槃妙心實相無相微妙法門不立文字教外別傳付囑摩訶迦葉。
I have the treasure of the true dharma eye, I have nirvāṇa as wondrous citta, I know signless dharmatā, the subtle dharma-gate, which is not standing on written word, which is external to scriptures, which is a special dispensation, which is entrusted to Mahākāśyapa.

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Re: Looking for good books for learning classical chinese

Post by Motova » Sat Jan 27, 2018 2:57 pm

Coëmgenu wrote:
Sat Jan 27, 2018 12:27 pm
The fifth one listed is one that I have. It is very good but throws a lot at you fast. You will need to make a lot of use of flashcards, etc. Do you know Anki? I use it to make automated flashcards. Its pretty good.
Thank you. :smile:

Yes I've tried Anki, but I prefer physical study aids.
Malcolm wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2014 3:58 pm
The four means of converting beings to the Dharma are generosity (which itself as four aspects: giving material gifts, conferring fearlessness, loving kindness and teaching Dharma), pleasant speech, conduct and setting an example.

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Re: Looking for good books for learning classical chinese

Post by humble.student » Sun Jan 28, 2018 6:59 am

Those are all very good books. I have not read Schuessler's work though. You might also want to throw in Pulleyblank's Grammar, and perhaps Fuller's Introduction once you've finished Rouzer. Also have a look at Harbaugh's Chinese Characters dictionary, which is very useful, generally speaking, in looking up characters as well as their traditional etymologies.

If and when you complete those books, you could move onto more advanced textbooks and readers such as Readings in Classical Chinese, and Literary Chinese for Advanced Beginners (both published by SMC, Taiwan). That ought to bridge the gulf between reading a primer and plunging straight into the original texts quite nicely.

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Re: Looking for good books for learning classical chinese

Post by Coëmgenu » Sun Jan 28, 2018 8:21 pm

Motova wrote:
Sat Jan 27, 2018 2:57 pm
Coëmgenu wrote:
Sat Jan 27, 2018 12:27 pm
The fifth one listed is one that I have. It is very good but throws a lot at you fast. You will need to make a lot of use of flashcards, etc. Do you know Anki? I use it to make automated flashcards. Its pretty good.
Thank you.
Somehow I miscounted the links in your OP. It is the fourth, Rouzer's, I meant to refer to. :spy:
世尊在靈山會上拈華示眾眾皆默然唯迦葉破顏微笑世尊云
The Lord dwelt at the Vulture Peak with the assembly and plucked a flower as a teaching. The myriad totality were silent, save for Kāśyapa, whose face cracked in a faint smile. The Lord spoke.

吾有正法眼藏涅槃妙心實相無相微妙法門不立文字教外別傳付囑摩訶迦葉。
I have the treasure of the true dharma eye, I have nirvāṇa as wondrous citta, I know signless dharmatā, the subtle dharma-gate, which is not standing on written word, which is external to scriptures, which is a special dispensation, which is entrusted to Mahākāśyapa.

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Re: Looking for good books for learning classical chinese

Post by Motova » Sun Jan 28, 2018 8:40 pm

humble.student wrote:
Sun Jan 28, 2018 6:59 am
Those are all very good books. I have not read Schuessler's work though. You might also want to throw in Pulleyblank's Grammar, and perhaps Fuller's Introduction once you've finished Rouzer. Also have a look at Harbaugh's Chinese Characters dictionary, which is very useful, generally speaking, in looking up characters as well as their traditional etymologies.

If and when you complete those books, you could move onto more advanced textbooks and readers such as Readings in Classical Chinese, and Literary Chinese for Advanced Beginners (both published by SMC, Taiwan). That ought to bridge the gulf between reading a primer and plunging straight into the original texts quite nicely.
Thank you. :twothumbsup:
Coëmgenu wrote:
Sun Jan 28, 2018 8:21 pm
Motova wrote:
Sat Jan 27, 2018 2:57 pm
Coëmgenu wrote:
Sat Jan 27, 2018 12:27 pm
The fifth one listed is one that I have. It is very good but throws a lot at you fast. You will need to make a lot of use of flashcards, etc. Do you know Anki? I use it to make automated flashcards. Its pretty good.
Thank you.
Somehow I miscounted the links in your OP. It is the fourth, Rouzer's, I meant to refer to. :spy:
Thank you, no worries. :cheers:
Malcolm wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2014 3:58 pm
The four means of converting beings to the Dharma are generosity (which itself as four aspects: giving material gifts, conferring fearlessness, loving kindness and teaching Dharma), pleasant speech, conduct and setting an example.

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Re: Looking for good books for learning classical chinese

Post by humble.student » Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:50 am

For those looking for an entry point into Classical Chinese, begin here: http://facultysites.vassar.edu/brvannor ... eryone.pdf

I would then suggest reading through (and making notes) from Pulleyblank's grammar, and working through Rouzer fairly intensely. Barnes' "Chinese Through Poetry" can be considered an instructive diversion; pleasant and pedagogical, but it will really come into its own once you begin reading sutras which contain a lot of verse.

Once you've made a certain amount of progress with the books listed above, you could then move on to more specifically Buddhist texts, and John Kieschnick's free primers are an excellent place to start. In fact, they're the only place to start in the absence of any other similar works (for the time being). https://religiousstudies.stanford.edu/p ... t-writings

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Re: Looking for good books for learning classical chinese

Post by Motova » Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:10 am

humble.student wrote:
Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:50 am
For those looking for an entry point into Classical Chinese, begin here: http://facultysites.vassar.edu/brvannor ... eryone.pdf

I would then suggest reading through (and making notes) from Pulleyblank's grammar, and working through Rouzer fairly intensely. Barnes' "Chinese Through Poetry" can be considered an instructive diversion; pleasant and pedagogical, but it will really come into its own once you begin reading sutras which contain a lot of verse.

Once you've made a certain amount of progress with the books listed above, you could then move on to more specifically Buddhist texts, and John Kieschnick's free primers are an excellent place to start. In fact, they're the only place to start in the absence of any other similar works (for the time being). https://religiousstudies.stanford.edu/p ... t-writings
Thank you. :twothumbsup:
Malcolm wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2014 3:58 pm
The four means of converting beings to the Dharma are generosity (which itself as four aspects: giving material gifts, conferring fearlessness, loving kindness and teaching Dharma), pleasant speech, conduct and setting an example.

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Re: Looking for good books for learning classical chinese

Post by rory » Sun Feb 11, 2018 4:37 am

humble.student wrote:
Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:50 am
For those looking for an entry point into Classical Chinese, begin here: http://facultysites.vassar.edu/brvannor ... eryone.pdf

I would then suggest reading through (and making notes) from Pulleyblank's grammar, and working through Rouzer fairly intensely. Barnes' "Chinese Through Poetry" can be considered an instructive diversion; pleasant and pedagogical, but it will really come into its own once you begin reading sutras which contain a lot of verse.

Once you've made a certain amount of progress with the books listed above, you could then move on to more specifically Buddhist texts, and John Kieschnick's free primers are an excellent place to start. In fact, they're the only place to start in the absence of any other similar works (for the time being). https://religiousstudies.stanford.edu/p ... t-writings
Super, thank you so much for this! I've got Pulleyblank and just downloaded the Stanford primers. I'm not stopping until I can read those texts!
gassho
Rory
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The Tai-ching states "the women in the realms of Mara, Sakra and Brahma all neither abandoned ( their old) bodies nor received (new) bodies. They all received buddhahood with their current bodies (genshin)" Thus these verses state that the dharma nature is like a great ocean. No right or wrong is preached (within it) Ordinary people and sages are equal, without superiority or inferiority
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Re: Looking for good books for learning classical chinese

Post by Motova » Sun Feb 11, 2018 4:57 am

rory wrote:
Sun Feb 11, 2018 4:37 am
humble.student wrote:
Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:50 am
For those looking for an entry point into Classical Chinese, begin here: http://facultysites.vassar.edu/brvannor ... eryone.pdf

I would then suggest reading through (and making notes) from Pulleyblank's grammar, and working through Rouzer fairly intensely. Barnes' "Chinese Through Poetry" can be considered an instructive diversion; pleasant and pedagogical, but it will really come into its own once you begin reading sutras which contain a lot of verse.

Once you've made a certain amount of progress with the books listed above, you could then move on to more specifically Buddhist texts, and John Kieschnick's free primers are an excellent place to start. In fact, they're the only place to start in the absence of any other similar works (for the time being). https://religiousstudies.stanford.edu/p ... t-writings
Super, thank you so much for this! I've got Pulleyblank and just downloaded the Stanford primers. I'm not stopping until I can read those texts!
gassho
Rory
:woohoo:
Malcolm wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2014 3:58 pm
The four means of converting beings to the Dharma are generosity (which itself as four aspects: giving material gifts, conferring fearlessness, loving kindness and teaching Dharma), pleasant speech, conduct and setting an example.

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Re: Looking for good books for learning classical chinese

Post by Ekayano » Fri Apr 20, 2018 7:20 am

I have almost all the books mentioned, in bookform or PDF, or both. But I have searched everywhere, and am not able to find introduction to classical chinese by John Cikoski.
According to rewievs one of the very best books on classical chinese.
Information on how and where to buy the book would be very much appreciated. :?:

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Re: Looking for good books for learning classical chinese

Post by Fa Dao » Sat Apr 21, 2018 1:13 pm

I did my undergrad work in Chinese language/history/literature and loved translating Tang dynasty poetry. That was many many years ago but the one book I always recommended was this:
https://www.amazon.com/Gateway-Chinese- ... 0835125378
It requires you to memorize around 300 characters to start but then it builds from there with each lesson. Each lesson includes actual passages from the classics...Kong Zi, Lao Zi, and Zhuang Zi, as well as a few excerpts from some of the 4 Ming/Qing Classics. There may be better out there now...been a long time but Prof Faurot really did her homework in putting this together. Hope this helps...also doesnt hurt to have Matthews Chinese dictionary at your side..its very old, a bit pricey, doesn't use pinyin or tones but once you understand how to look up characters with it it will prove to be invaluable in that it contains many ancient meanings for characters not found in many modern dictionaries
https://www.amazon.com/Matthews-Chinese ... dictionary
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