AH-HA
AH-HA
Well, an aha! is what I’m seeking, but my question is about the Tibetan AH (A). Could someone clarify for me the difference between these Tibetan characters?
ཨ
ཨཱ
ཨཱཿ
འཿ
I think the ཿ is like a comma or separation between syllables, and if so it doesn’t count for what I’m asking (except that I wonder if there is a difference when a line appears between the two circles: ༔).
But I see that the Six Syllables (A AH HA SHA SA MA) are: འ ཨ ཧ ཤ ས མ. I think I heard ChNN make a distinction in pronunciation between འ and ཨ at the last retreat, but I didn’t understand.
And then there's this guy: ཨཱ which seems to be a third instance as the AH in OM AH HUM.
ཨ
ཨཱ
ཨཱཿ
འཿ
I think the ཿ is like a comma or separation between syllables, and if so it doesn’t count for what I’m asking (except that I wonder if there is a difference when a line appears between the two circles: ༔).
But I see that the Six Syllables (A AH HA SHA SA MA) are: འ ཨ ཧ ཤ ས མ. I think I heard ChNN make a distinction in pronunciation between འ and ཨ at the last retreat, but I didn’t understand.
And then there's this guy: ཨཱ which seems to be a third instance as the AH in OM AH HUM.
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Re: AH-HA
The first has the throat/glottis open throughout, whereas the second starts with it closed, popping open with the sound.
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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔
ཨོཾ་ཧ་ནུ་པྷ་ཤ་བྷ་ར་ཧེ་ཡེ་སྭཱ་ཧཱ།།
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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔
ཨོཾ་ཧ་ནུ་པྷ་ཤ་བྷ་ར་ཧེ་ཡེ་སྭཱ་ཧཱ།།
ཨཱོཾ་མ་ཏྲི་མུ་ཡེ་སལེ་འདུ།།
Re: AH-HA
The two circles indicate a terma text (no change in pronounciation).Jeff H wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:38 pm Well, an aha! is what I’m seeking, but my question is about the Tibetan AH (A). Could someone clarify for me the difference between these Tibetan characters?
ཨ
ཨཱ
ཨཱཿ
འཿ
I think the ཿ is like a comma or separation between syllables, and if so it doesn’t count for what I’m asking (except that I wonder if there is a difference when a line appears between the two circles: ༔).
The འ is kind of deeper, you pronounce it without blocking the throat first.But I see that the Six Syllables (A AH HA SHA SA MA) are: འ ཨ ཧ ཤ ས མ. I think I heard ChNN make a distinction in pronunciation between འ and ཨ at the last retreat, but I didn’t understand.
I think this means it's a long A but I am unclear on the difference in pronounciation as I personally don't hear a difference.And then there's this guy: ཨཱ which seems to be a third instance as the AH in OM AH HUM.
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Re: AH-HA
ཨ is the basic vowel: A. The diacritic modifying ཨཱ is used only in writing Sanskrit as a matra, elongating the vowel: Ā. The diacritical two circles modifying ཨཱཿ are also used only in writing Sanskrit as a visarga whose pronunciation varies in Sanskrit, sometimes pronounced as a faint echo of the preceding vowel, having no particular effect on pronunciation in Tibetan: ĀḤ—this is how the seed syllable of enlightened speech is written in accordance with Sanskrit. ༔, on the other hand, known as a "treasure break" in Tibetan, is a punctuation mark or textual delimiter somewhat like a comma.Jeff H wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:38 pm Well, an aha! is what I’m seeking, but my question is about the Tibetan AH (A). Could someone clarify for me the difference between these Tibetan characters?
ཨ
ཨཱ
ཨཱཿ
འཿ
I think the ཿ is like a comma or separation between syllables, and if so it doesn’t count for what I’m asking (except that I wonder if there is a difference when a line appears between the two circles: ༔).
But I see that the Six Syllables (A AH HA SHA SA MA) are: འ ཨ ཧ ཤ ས མ. I think I heard ChNN make a distinction in pronunciation between འ and ཨ at the last retreat, but I didn’t understand.
And then there's this guy: ཨཱ which seems to be a third instance as the AH in OM AH HUM.
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Re: AH-HA
Thanks for the correction.Cianan wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 6:58 pm ཨ is the basic vowel: A. The diacritic modifying ཨཱ is used only in writing Sanskrit as a matra, elongating the vowel: Ā. The diacritical two circles modifying ཨཱཿ are also used only in writing Sanskrit as a visarga whose pronunciation varies in Sanskrit, sometimes pronounced as a faint echo of the preceding vowel, having no particular effect on pronunciation in Tibetan: ĀḤ—this is how the seed syllable of enlightened speech is written in accordance with Sanskrit. ༔, on the other hand, known as a "treasure break" in Tibetan, is a punctuation mark or textual delimiter somewhat like a comma.
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Re: AH-HA
The Ah from om ah hung has a stronger aspiration on the end of it.
Re: AH-HA
I see, thanks.amanitamusc wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 10:17 pm
The Ah from om ah hung has a stronger aspiration on the end of it.
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Re: AH-HA
Yes, definitely no glottal stop between the first two. Takes practice.
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Re: AH-HA
Thanks everyone! So here’s my take-away:
འ is a deeper AH with no glottal stop
ཨ is pronounced with a glottal stop
ཨཱ is a rendering of Sanskrit (in OM AH HUM) pronounced the same as ཨ
ཿ is another Sanskrit rendering which doesn’t appreciably change the Tibetan
༔ on the other hand is used similarly to a comma
One other thing. I don’t think I’m likely to get this far, but if I wanted to type Tibetan words, what should I download in Windows 10/Word 2016 for the alphabet, and how would I set up the keyboard? (So far using Unicode is perfectly adequate for me, but pretty clunky all the same.)
འ is a deeper AH with no glottal stop
ཨ is pronounced with a glottal stop
ཨཱ is a rendering of Sanskrit (in OM AH HUM) pronounced the same as ཨ
ཿ is another Sanskrit rendering which doesn’t appreciably change the Tibetan
༔ on the other hand is used similarly to a comma
One other thing. I don’t think I’m likely to get this far, but if I wanted to type Tibetan words, what should I download in Windows 10/Word 2016 for the alphabet, and how would I set up the keyboard? (So far using Unicode is perfectly adequate for me, but pretty clunky all the same.)
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Re: AH-HA
Only appears in terma texts, not otherwise. I think it basically means just that it's the end of a line (so "textual delimiter" which Cianan mentioned), which of our punctuation marks would be there depends on what the text is saying around that spot.
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Re: AH-HA
Hmm. I was going by this from Cianan:
I thought this: ། marked the end of a line (or section), and this: ༎ marked the end of a topic.Cianan wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 6:58 pmThe diacritical two circles modifying ཨཱཿ are also used only in writing Sanskrit as a visarga ... having no particular effect on pronunciation in Tibetan. ... ༔, on the other hand, known as a "treasure break" in Tibetan, is a punctuation mark or textual delimiter somewhat like a comma.
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Re: AH-HA
Yeah but in termas (treasures) the lines end with ༔ instead.Jeff H wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:41 pmHmm. I was going by this from Cianan:I thought this: ། marked the end of a line (or section), and this: ༎ marked the end of a topic.Cianan wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 6:58 pmThe diacritical two circles modifying ཨཱཿ are also used only in writing Sanskrit as a visarga ... having no particular effect on pronunciation in Tibetan. ... ༔, on the other hand, known as a "treasure break" in Tibetan, is a punctuation mark or textual delimiter somewhat like a comma.
Also I wonder if that wood-block thing mentioned is why I made the mistake above. I probably saw it somewhere.http://digitaltibetan.org/index.php/Formatting_rules_for_Tibetan_text wrote: Terma signs: In case a section of text that is actually a gter ma, a single terma symbol ༔ replaces both shad ། and double shad ། །. Wood-block pechas sometimes simplify the gter ma ༔ so that it looks like a visarga ཿ, but digital texts should use the proper terma sign ༔.
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Re: AH-HA
Got it. Thanks. (Well, "got it" may be overstating it a bit, but I see what you mean.)Pero wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:15 pmYeah but in termas (treasures) the lines end with ༔ instead.Jeff H wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:41 pmHmm. I was going by this from Cianan:I thought this: ། marked the end of a line (or section), and this: ༎ marked the end of a topic.Cianan wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 6:58 pmThe diacritical two circles modifying ཨཱཿ are also used only in writing Sanskrit as a visarga ... having no particular effect on pronunciation in Tibetan. ... ༔, on the other hand, known as a "treasure break" in Tibetan, is a punctuation mark or textual delimiter somewhat like a comma.
Also I wonder if that wood-block thing mentioned is why I made the mistake above. I probably saw it somewhere.http://digitaltibetan.org/index.php/Formatting_rules_for_Tibetan_text wrote: Terma signs: In case a section of text that is actually a gter ma, a single terma symbol ༔ replaces both shad ། and double shad ། །. Wood-block pechas sometimes simplify the gter ma ༔ so that it looks like a visarga ཿ, but digital texts should use the proper terma sign ༔.
Thanks for the site you linked to, too. It had the answer to my other question.
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