Namo Gurubhya Pronounciation?

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Namo Gurubhya Pronounciation?

Post by Tenma » Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:56 am

How do you pronounce Namo Gurubhya? Na-mo Goo-roo-byah? Na-mo Goo-roo-bay? Na-mo Goo-roo-bay-ah? How?

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Re: Namo Gurubhya Pronounciation?

Post by Temicco » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:45 pm

Tenma wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:56 am
How do you pronounce Namo Gurubhya? Na-mo Goo-roo-byah? Na-mo Goo-roo-bay? Na-mo Goo-roo-bay-ah? How?
Na-mo goo-roo-byah.
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Re: Namo Gurubhya Pronounciation?

Post by amanitamusc » Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:09 am

Temicco wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:45 pm
Tenma wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:56 am
How do you pronounce Namo Gurubhya? Na-mo Goo-roo-byah? Na-mo Goo-roo-bay? Na-mo Goo-roo-bay-ah? How?
Na-mo goo-roo-byah.
I go with Na-mo Goo-roo-bay.

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Re: Namo Gurubhya Pronounciation?

Post by Tenma » Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:57 pm

amanitamusc wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:09 am
Temicco wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:45 pm
Tenma wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:56 am
How do you pronounce Namo Gurubhya? Na-mo Goo-roo-byah? Na-mo Goo-roo-bay? Na-mo Goo-roo-bay-ah? How?
Na-mo goo-roo-byah.
I go with Na-mo Goo-roo-bay.
Wait what?

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Re: Namo Gurubhya Pronounciation?

Post by Grigoris » Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:11 pm

amanitamusc wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:09 am
Temicco wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:45 pm
Tenma wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:56 am
How do you pronounce Namo Gurubhya? Na-mo Goo-roo-byah? Na-mo Goo-roo-bay? Na-mo Goo-roo-bay-ah? How?
Na-mo goo-roo-byah.
I go with Na-mo Goo-roo-bay.
That's the one I was taught too.
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Re: Namo Gurubhya Pronounciation?

Post by Tenma » Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:18 pm

Grigoris wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:11 pm
amanitamusc wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:09 am
Temicco wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:45 pm


Na-mo goo-roo-byah.
I go with Na-mo Goo-roo-bay.
That's the one I was taught too.
Okay, because when I heard Namkhai Norbu singing the Song of the Vajra and taking the refuge, I became pretty confused over his "Goo-roo-byah" versus the other "Goo-roo-bay" I've heard before.

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Re: Namo Gurubhya Pronounciation?

Post by Temicco » Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:54 pm

Grigoris wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:11 pm
amanitamusc wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:09 am

I go with Na-mo Goo-roo-bay.
That's the one I was taught too.
It's not the Classical Sanskrit pronunciation, but maybe it's a Tibetanized one.
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Re: Namo Gurubhya Pronounciation?

Post by Grigoris » Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:37 pm

Tibetanised Sanskrit pronunciation can vary greatly because of the variety of Tibetan dialects.
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Re: Namo Gurubhya Pronounciation?

Post by Palzang Jangchub » Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:15 am

Personally I learned goo-roo-byah, but I've also seen texts where it's written as gurubhye (i.e. goo-roo-byey). I think it has to do with the proper vocative case in Sanskrit.

When I do prostration I use gurubhya out of habit. I'll use gurubhye when I see it in av text.

The vast majority of my lamas are Khampas, and from the Nangchen as Derge areas specifically. Not sure how that affects. Pronunciation in Tibetanized Sanskrit, as noted by Greh
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Re: Namo Gurubhya Pronounciation?

Post by Marc » Sat Jun 16, 2018 10:40 am

It may be worth pointing the fact that, as far as mantra's pronunciation is concerned, the right pronunciation is that of the guru who transmitted it to you ;)

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Re: Namo Gurubhya Pronounciation?

Post by Coëmgenu » Sun Jun 17, 2018 1:18 pm

Tenma wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:56 am
How do you pronounce Namo Gurubhya? Na-mo Goo-roo-byah? Na-mo Goo-roo-bay? Na-mo Goo-roo-bay-ah? How?
Do you know IPA?

nəmo gurubʰjə

Three syllables. The ə is a mid-central vowel, or a schwa. Click the ə here.

The "J" is pronounced like the y in "grab your umbrella".

The B is aspirated. Chances are if you are a native English speaker you might already aspirate most of your B's depending on your accent.

Don't round your O (i.e. pronouncing it with a little 'w' at the end, an English habit, if you have it).

Obviously this is a "proscriptive" pronunciation. Sanskrit pronunciation is like Latin pronunciation. Anything goes.

The French pronounce Latin in the French manner, the Polish in the Polish manner, etc.
नस्वातो नापिपरतो नद्वाभ्यां नाप्यहेतुतः उत्पन्ना जातु विद्यन्ते भावाः क्वचन केचन
There absolutely are no things, nowhere and none, that arise anew, neither out of themselves, nor out of non-self, nor out of both, nor at random.
सर्वं तथ्यं न वा तथ्यं तथ्यं चातथ्यम् एव च नैवातथ्यं नैव तथ्यम् एतद् बुद्धानुशासनम्
All is so, or all is not so, both so and not so, neither so nor not so. This is the Buddha's teaching.

一切實非實亦實亦非實
非實非非實是名諸佛法

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