Namo Gurubhya Pronounciation?

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Namo Gurubhya Pronounciation?

Post by Tenma » Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:56 am

How do you pronounce Namo Gurubhya? Na-mo Goo-roo-byah? Na-mo Goo-roo-bay? Na-mo Goo-roo-bay-ah? How?

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Re: Namo Gurubhya Pronounciation?

Post by Temicco » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:45 pm

Tenma wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:56 am
How do you pronounce Namo Gurubhya? Na-mo Goo-roo-byah? Na-mo Goo-roo-bay? Na-mo Goo-roo-bay-ah? How?
Na-mo goo-roo-byah.
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Re: Namo Gurubhya Pronounciation?

Post by amanitamusc » Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:09 am

Temicco wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:45 pm
Tenma wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:56 am
How do you pronounce Namo Gurubhya? Na-mo Goo-roo-byah? Na-mo Goo-roo-bay? Na-mo Goo-roo-bay-ah? How?
Na-mo goo-roo-byah.
I go with Na-mo Goo-roo-bay.

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Re: Namo Gurubhya Pronounciation?

Post by Tenma » Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:57 pm

amanitamusc wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:09 am
Temicco wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:45 pm
Tenma wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:56 am
How do you pronounce Namo Gurubhya? Na-mo Goo-roo-byah? Na-mo Goo-roo-bay? Na-mo Goo-roo-bay-ah? How?
Na-mo goo-roo-byah.
I go with Na-mo Goo-roo-bay.
Wait what?

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Re: Namo Gurubhya Pronounciation?

Post by Grigoris » Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:11 pm

amanitamusc wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:09 am
Temicco wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:45 pm
Tenma wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:56 am
How do you pronounce Namo Gurubhya? Na-mo Goo-roo-byah? Na-mo Goo-roo-bay? Na-mo Goo-roo-bay-ah? How?
Na-mo goo-roo-byah.
I go with Na-mo Goo-roo-bay.
That's the one I was taught too.
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Re: Namo Gurubhya Pronounciation?

Post by Tenma » Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:18 pm

Grigoris wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:11 pm
amanitamusc wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:09 am
Temicco wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:45 pm


Na-mo goo-roo-byah.
I go with Na-mo Goo-roo-bay.
That's the one I was taught too.
Okay, because when I heard Namkhai Norbu singing the Song of the Vajra and taking the refuge, I became pretty confused over his "Goo-roo-byah" versus the other "Goo-roo-bay" I've heard before.

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Re: Namo Gurubhya Pronounciation?

Post by Temicco » Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:54 pm

Grigoris wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:11 pm
amanitamusc wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:09 am

I go with Na-mo Goo-roo-bay.
That's the one I was taught too.
It's not the Classical Sanskrit pronunciation, but maybe it's a Tibetanized one.
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Re: Namo Gurubhya Pronounciation?

Post by Grigoris » Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:37 pm

Tibetanised Sanskrit pronunciation can vary greatly because of the variety of Tibetan dialects.
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Re: Namo Gurubhya Pronounciation?

Post by Palzang Jangchub » Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:15 am

Personally I learned goo-roo-byah, but I've also seen texts where it's written as gurubhye (i.e. goo-roo-byey). I think it has to do with the proper vocative case in Sanskrit.

When I do prostration I use gurubhya out of habit. I'll use gurubhye when I see it in av text.

The vast majority of my lamas are Khampas, and from the Nangchen as Derge areas specifically. Not sure how that affects. Pronunciation in Tibetanized Sanskrit, as noted by Greh
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Re: Namo Gurubhya Pronounciation?

Post by Marc » Sat Jun 16, 2018 10:40 am

It may be worth pointing the fact that, as far as mantra's pronunciation is concerned, the right pronunciation is that of the guru who transmitted it to you ;)

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Re: Namo Gurubhya Pronounciation?

Post by Coëmgenu » Sun Jun 17, 2018 1:18 pm

Tenma wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:56 am
How do you pronounce Namo Gurubhya? Na-mo Goo-roo-byah? Na-mo Goo-roo-bay? Na-mo Goo-roo-bay-ah? How?
Do you know IPA?

nəmo gurubʰjə

Three syllables. The ə is a mid-central vowel, or a schwa. Click the ə here.

The "J" is pronounced like the y in "grab your umbrella".

The B is aspirated. Chances are if you are a native English speaker you might already aspirate most of your B's depending on your accent.

Don't round your O (i.e. pronouncing it with a little 'w' at the end, an English habit, if you have it).

Obviously this is a "proscriptive" pronunciation. Sanskrit pronunciation is like Latin pronunciation. Anything goes.

The French pronounce Latin in the French manner, the Polish in the Polish manner, etc.
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The Lord dwelt at the Vulture Peak with the assembly and plucked a flower as a teaching. The myriad totality were silent, save for Kāśyapa, whose face cracked in a faint smile. The Lord spoke.
吾有正法眼藏涅槃妙心實相無相微妙法門不立文字教外別傳付囑摩訶迦葉。
I have the treasure of the true dharma eye, I have nirvāṇa as wondrous citta, I know signless dharmatā, the subtle dharma-gate, which is not standing on written word, which is external to scriptures, which is a special dispensation, which is entrusted to Mahākāśyapa.

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