Namo Gurubhya Pronounciation?

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Namo Gurubhya Pronounciation?

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How do you pronounce Namo Gurubhya? Na-mo Goo-roo-byah? Na-mo Goo-roo-bay? Na-mo Goo-roo-bay-ah? How?
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Tenma wrote: Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:56 am How do you pronounce Namo Gurubhya? Na-mo Goo-roo-byah? Na-mo Goo-roo-bay? Na-mo Goo-roo-bay-ah? How?
Na-mo goo-roo-byah.
"Deliberate upon that which does not deliberate."
-Yaoshan Weiyan (tr. chintokkong)

若覓真不動。動上有不動。
"Search for what it really is to be unmoving in what does not move amid movement."
-Huineng (tr. Mark Crosbie)

ཚེ་འདི་ལ་ཞེན་ན་ཆོས་པ་མིན། །
འཁོར་བ་ལ་ཞེན་ན་ངེས་འབྱུང་མིན། །
བདག་དོན་ལ་ཞེན་ན་བྱང་སེམས་མིན། །
འཛིན་པ་བྱུང་ན་ལྟ་བ་མིན། །
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Temicco wrote: Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:45 pm
Tenma wrote: Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:56 am How do you pronounce Namo Gurubhya? Na-mo Goo-roo-byah? Na-mo Goo-roo-bay? Na-mo Goo-roo-bay-ah? How?
Na-mo goo-roo-byah.
I go with Na-mo Goo-roo-bay.
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amanitamusc wrote: Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:09 am
Temicco wrote: Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:45 pm
Tenma wrote: Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:56 am How do you pronounce Namo Gurubhya? Na-mo Goo-roo-byah? Na-mo Goo-roo-bay? Na-mo Goo-roo-bay-ah? How?
Na-mo goo-roo-byah.
I go with Na-mo Goo-roo-bay.
Wait what?
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amanitamusc wrote: Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:09 am
Temicco wrote: Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:45 pm
Tenma wrote: Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:56 am How do you pronounce Namo Gurubhya? Na-mo Goo-roo-byah? Na-mo Goo-roo-bay? Na-mo Goo-roo-bay-ah? How?
Na-mo goo-roo-byah.
I go with Na-mo Goo-roo-bay.
That's the one I was taught too.
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Grigoris wrote: Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:11 pm
amanitamusc wrote: Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:09 am
Temicco wrote: Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:45 pm

Na-mo goo-roo-byah.
I go with Na-mo Goo-roo-bay.
That's the one I was taught too.
Okay, because when I heard Namkhai Norbu singing the Song of the Vajra and taking the refuge, I became pretty confused over his "Goo-roo-byah" versus the other "Goo-roo-bay" I've heard before.
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Grigoris wrote: Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:11 pm
amanitamusc wrote: Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:09 am
I go with Na-mo Goo-roo-bay.
That's the one I was taught too.
It's not the Classical Sanskrit pronunciation, but maybe it's a Tibetanized one.
"Deliberate upon that which does not deliberate."
-Yaoshan Weiyan (tr. chintokkong)

若覓真不動。動上有不動。
"Search for what it really is to be unmoving in what does not move amid movement."
-Huineng (tr. Mark Crosbie)

ཚེ་འདི་ལ་ཞེན་ན་ཆོས་པ་མིན། །
འཁོར་བ་ལ་ཞེན་ན་ངེས་འབྱུང་མིན། །
བདག་དོན་ལ་ཞེན་ན་བྱང་སེམས་མིན། །
འཛིན་པ་བྱུང་ན་ལྟ་བ་མིན། །
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Tibetanised Sanskrit pronunciation can vary greatly because of the variety of Tibetan dialects.
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"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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Personally I learned goo-roo-byah, but I've also seen texts where it's written as gurubhye (i.e. goo-roo-byey). I think it has to do with the proper vocative case in Sanskrit.

When I do prostration I use gurubhya out of habit. I'll use gurubhye when I see it in av text.

The vast majority of my lamas are Khampas, and from the Nangchen as Derge areas specifically. Not sure how that affects. Pronunciation in Tibetanized Sanskrit, as noted by Greh
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དྲིན་ཆེན་རྩ་བའི་བླ་མ་སྐྱབས་རྗེ་མགར་ཆེན་ཁྲི་སྤྲུལ་རིན་པོ་ཆེ་ཁྱེད་མཁྱེན་ནོ།།
རྗེ་བཙུན་བླ་མ་མཁས་གྲུབ་ཀརྨ་ཆགས་མེད་མཁྱེན་ནོ། ཀརྨ་པ་མཁྱེན་ནོཿ
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It may be worth pointing the fact that, as far as mantra's pronunciation is concerned, the right pronunciation is that of the guru who transmitted it to you ;)
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Tenma wrote: Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:56 am How do you pronounce Namo Gurubhya? Na-mo Goo-roo-byah? Na-mo Goo-roo-bay? Na-mo Goo-roo-bay-ah? How?
Do you know IPA?

nəmo gurubʰjə

Three syllables. The ə is a mid-central vowel, or a schwa. Click the ə here.

The "J" is pronounced like the y in "grab your umbrella".

The B is aspirated. Chances are if you are a native English speaker you might already aspirate most of your B's depending on your accent.

Don't round your O (i.e. pronouncing it with a little 'w' at the end, an English habit, if you have it).

Obviously this is a "proscriptive" pronunciation. Sanskrit pronunciation is like Latin pronunciation. Anything goes.

The French pronounce Latin in the French manner, the Polish in the Polish manner, etc.
Then, the monks uttered this gāthā:

These bodies are like foam.
Them being frail, who can rejoice in them?
The Buddha attained the vajra-body.
Still, it becomes inconstant and ruined.
The many Buddhas are vajra-entities.
All are also subject to inconstancy.
Quickly ended, like melting snow --
how could things be different?

The Buddha passed into parinirvāṇa afterward.
(T1.27b10 Mahāparinirvāṇasūtra DĀ 2)
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